#15 Billy Carson - From Poverty to Ancient Civilizations - Austin and Matt Podcast

[Music] And I went through the front shield of a of a car doing 75 miles an hour on the highway. >> You paid your dad rent to live in the house >> since I was 12. And he pulled a gun out and just put it right here, right in the center of my forehead. I don't belong here and I'm getting out. I knew it. You know, I saw this thing go across the horizon. And I was like, wo. One breath at a time cuz I knew if I fell asleep on the plane, I was going to die. >> We got to meet Billy Carson. Now, Billy Carson is one of the most polarizing figures on YouTube. Uh he has tons of fans. He has over a million subs and he has lots of detractors and I think a lot of those detractors make some really good points. So we try and have a balanced opinion around here on the Austin and Matt podcast. And so what I really wanted to do is I wanted to get to know him because I feel like once you get to know where somebody's come from, what they've gone through, it helps you understand kind of how they operate. And let me tell you, Billy's been through a lot. Uh he's had a much rougher life than I have growing up in urban Miami. Uh a lot of violence, a lot of broken families. And the main takeaway is that he is a hustler. He was up at 4:00 a.m. filming multi a ton of content. He's filming content non-stop. He before he was into Aliens and the Emerald Tablets of Thring apps. He sold a company. He was helping his parents start a a carpet cleaning business just to help pay the rent. He went to the library and filled out a HUD form and helped his dad win $30,000 for a down payment on a house in the 80s. Billy is a hustler. He's also 53. He's a grandfather. We have a clip that of uh that we put out where it's him and his son arguing over who their top five NBA starting lineup is. So, you know, I had different opinions just about watching him online for years. And now, uh I think I have a much more well-rounded opinion of Billy to know where he's come from and and what he's about. Uh it was a fascinating conversation. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to the Austin and Matt podcast. >> Thanks for having us. This is >> this is a beautiful house. >> Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Yeah. >> And you film everywhere all over this house. every single room, outdoor, indoor, bathroom, doesn't matter. Loft, we filmed everywhere. I mean, backyard, front yard, down the street, around the corner. >> It's like 10:00 a.m. And how many things have you recorded so far today? >> Today, I started recording at 4:00 a.m. I've already recorded three different podcasts for my Forbidden Knowledge Academy, which are going to go up on my Billy Carson official YouTube account. Clips for that were also done, 30 specialized clips just for that content. And then after that, I did a recording to create. So, you know, we record into um a voice recorder so that the person I'm working with, Tiberious over at Law of Attraction, he can go ahead and create and curate some great hot keywords and topics for me to talk about in the future based on an interview. He'll do these random interviews with me just to get and see where I'm at, what I've been through, what how what lessons I've learned, and what knowledge I've gained over time. And then he turns that into more topics, more viral topics to talk about. And then he'll send me an assignment, and I got to go knock these out. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. >> Is there a Billy Carson Eats YouTube channel uh for whenever you have breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Is that a part of this or >> Oh, no. No. But um you know, I just It's a It's a It's a grind, man. It's a grind. You know, uh 4:00. The other night, I was up at 2 a.m. I was at 2 2 a.m. making 50 clips in the back of the Rolls-Royce for Instagram. So, each one was a different one. You got to come up with the same energy every single time. You got to deliver that point in one minute or less. You know how that is. >> Yeah. >> Uh, you know, and then after that, I went came in here straight inside to the back. There's a studio in the back that I do in another room that I go one-on-one just me talking to camera and I knocked out two more podcasts, you know. Then I eat breakfast. I do a meditation, go for a walk in the neighborhood if I have a little bit of time for that. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. A quick walk, you know, maybe just 10, 15 minutes just to move around a little bit. >> What's your diet? What What do you eat for breakfast? You're in pretty good shape. Uh yeah, for breakfast I typically have three to four uh fresh cracked soft scrambled eggs made in butter. A lot of butter is good for you. People that was a whole lie about not eating butter. Butter is phenomenal. Eggs are phenomenal for you. Uh a slice avocado every single morning along with that. Um and sometimes a bowl of blueberries or a banana and a couple of cups of coffee. I'm good to go. >> That's pretty low carb. >> Yeah. >> How old are you? >> 53. I'll be 54 in September in a month. >> You're 53? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's amazing. You don't you don't look a day over. Yeah, man. What does life look like from 53? >> You know, you hit that half a century range, right? And uh both my parents have been gone for a while. >> So, and I'm the oldest uh sibling, so you know, you get that realization like, oh, I'm not I'm not going to live forever, you know? >> Yeah. >> Uh because when you have that realization, how old were you when you realized you would >> I was uh let's see, my dad died in that was 20 uh 2017, October of 2017. >> Oh, man. I'm sorry to hear that. >> Yeah, that's okay. You know, it's just part of life. for me. Unfortunately, it was a bad way for him to die, but you know, he was beaten by cops um at the age of 74 at 113 pounds. >> No way. >> Somebody called uh 911 and uh and said that, you know, there was a drunk guy harassing people in the front row of this concert. He was invited to the concert by his own band member who was his neighbor. And he was in the front row just dancing, having a good time, and somebody way in the back, probably jealous or something, who knows? But the cops came in in 5 minutes and they literally beat him down, double concussion and broke his back. Consequently after that he they never repaired his back properly and he started he was already fortunately he was an alcoholic but he wasn't drunk that night thankfully. He had on his nice suit and everything I had just bought him, but he uh he started drinking three times the amount to to to just mask the pain. And um you know, he he had his neighbor take him back to the hospital. And when he got there, he just went down the tubes from there. And uh he ended up having what they call a cascade seizure from all this damage. He had 123 seizures within like an hour, which completely erased his brain. Just wiped it clean. Um I sent him to another hospital to get scans there. came back more scans there because you know the oldest I have to the decision to pull the plug. I had to make the same decision on my mom because she had ALS u and she was in the same ICU one bed over. So they both died in the same hospital one bed over from each other over different time periods. My mom died back in 2010. So uh it's a rough decision to have to make and to see that. But you realize that life is really short man. you come, you realize like, wow, um, I'm next in line, you know, >> and it's like, damn, >> you really got to smell the roses. You really have to be grateful, gratitude, enjoy every moment. Stop focusing on negativity and and things that are just, you know, not suiting your best favor. focus on things, helping people, you know, being loving, being of service to others, um, you know, trying to just again see what you can do to help change the world instead of being a complainer, being a worrier, you know, is not going to help anything. I tell people, don't be a worrier, be a warrior. And, uh, you know, this fear-based system that we're in has people so scared and everything else and fighting one another. And I look back and I just see it and I go, man, if they only knew. You only get so many sunrises and so many sunsets. >> Yeah. I've heard it said that a man lives two lives and his second one begins when he realizes he has one. >> That's right. >> And it really hits. And I think that in our culture, we just we don't think about death that often. We don't see people dying that often. They get carted away and someone takes care of that. And so we aren't as we don't kill our own animals anymore. We really have removed death from our society all over the place. And as I think it's a I think it's a subconscious fear of dying, which is natural, but to not be exposed to it. So to have once your parents pass or when someone one of your loved ones gets sick, I think there is this often times an awakening moment for people when they realize, "Oh, I'm going to die too." And you start looking around and all of a sudden the steam coming out of your coffee is pretty beautiful and the sun rising is really amazing and you look at everything different than you've ever looked at it before. >> Absolutely, man. You hit it on the head. But I think I think one of the things you have to do once you get to that phase of realization is normally you have a lot of traumas that you've like developed and then you got to start letting go of stuff and it's hard to let go of stuff because it's stuck inside of you. It's like it's in your nervous system. >> How do you I mean you're at a different you're you're a couple years older than us. How did you >> how do you let go of stuff? Because you strike me as a guy that's resilient. You bounce back. >> How do you keep that neuroplasticity? >> It's it's you know it's a challenge and if I were to say it was so easy I'd be lying. It is a challenge just like for anybody else. So you just have to be really dedicated and really really know within yourself that you want to tackle these things. You want to process this trauma out of your body. You want to acknowledge them. You want to become a better person. You want to become stronger. You want to reduce your triggers. It's a lifelong journey to do that. I spent a lot of time working on myself over the last I would say 5 years. I mean significant work more than I ever did before. >> How so? Well, uh, doing a lot of intensive meditation, not medit not just standard meditation, but meditation on the trauma. Meditation on the trauma links to the past. Finding out why did this trigger me? Analyzing it, researching it. Oh, this person said this. And because they said this, it linked me to something from when I was 8 years old. Now, what is that thing? Let's bring that back up. Let's relive it in the consciousness. analyze it, process it, get over it, get past that. You know, I think a lot of the traumas that a lot of the triggers that people have are because they have unprocessed trauma >> and and they don't even realize that they're nothing but a walking reaction. >> Yeah. >> And but their reactions that they're giving out are based on things that could have happened a decade or two decades ago, maybe even more in some cases. >> And then I did um a lot of work with counselors and psychotherapists and psychiatrists. >> I went to Dr. Daniel Aman, the number one psychiatrist in my opinion in the world. He does all the NFL CTEes and everything. And he did a spec scan of my brain. Uh the first spec scan, he saw a trauma pattern, a diamond. When you see the diamond on the spec scan, it means severe trauma growing up. And he read my brain like he was reading a book. He was read my whole life out of that scan. He knew everything that happened to me. I was like, this is crazy. >> When did you have this done? >> That was about 3 years ago. >> Whoa. >> Then he put me on this. I also had a brain injury from a car accident. I went through the front windshield. That's why this eye, this is a reconstructed eyelid. This is called a starburst. And I went through the front shield of a of a car doing 75 miles an hour on the highway. And I went over the car that we hit. >> How old were you >> at that time? I was like 22, I believe. And um got rushed to the hospital. They, you know, took the glass out from behind my eye and everything else and uh stitched up, did the star, and then it busted open again and they had to redo it. But um that that that sloshed my brain around in my skull and it created a dimple here that no blood flow was going to right here. This spot is actually still numb. There's no feeling here. Nerves got cut somehow from here. And uh he I was having severe navigation problems. This why I went to him. I I was getting lost in this house. >> Wow. >> I was getting lost in cars everywhere. If I would if I would drive I don't drive that much, but if I would drive somewhere, I would be lost. Um, and sometimes I drive 30, 40 miles out of the way. My brain would tell me I'm doing something right. I'm going somewhere. Right. >> This is years later after the accident. You're talking about kind of recently. >> It progress. Yeah. Recent it got it got worse. >> Okay. >> I remember when I was even younger, I would take my kids to basketball practice and one time I had my daughter. I was bringing her home late from practice and I got lost in the neighborhood. I I said, "Can you please wake up and tell me how to get home?" And what set it off for me is I was going out on a date um and I walked into a wall. We were at a movie theater. I walked into a wall cuz my brain told me that was the the escalator to go up. And so after that, I was like, "Okay, got to go. Got to see what's going on here." It was that spot in my brain. And he put me on a special regimen of brain supplements. Uh and >> you remember what they were? >> Uh it's his own brand of Dr. Aean brain supplement. I'm not I don't know specifically what's in each one. >> Yep. >> He just trust him because the guy does great work. So I just >> give me give me these vitamins. They're all organic and natural. So, I took all that. I was also taking a lot of magnesium and also my own ADK. Um, and then I was uh >> What's ADK? >> Uh, vitamin A and K. >> Oh, vitamin A and KK. Got it. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then I was doing he he recommended table tennis because it activates the left and right hemisphere of the brain, but not just casual like with a professional trainer and all of that. I started out, but then I really had a love more for basketball. And basketball does the same exact thing. So, I just, you know, shooting left hand, shooting right hand, left hand layup, right hand layup. Just drill left hand drill, right hand drill, two ball drills. I did all of that. I got my sleep, stopped drinking coffee after 5:00 p.m. because it restricts blood flow to the brain. >> This is recently. You're 53. You were 50 when this was happening. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is on It's on his TV show, Scan My Brain. You can pull it up on Instagram on y'all YouTube. >> Okay. >> On Dr. Ammon's YouTube account. It's recent. This is really recent. I went back to him 10 months later after following his exact regimen. And I already knew I was healed because I was wasn't getting lost anymore. It went away. Just faded away. And my spec scan, my second spec scan, which is online, the dimple's gone. The blood flow problem is fixed. I'm perfectly healthy again. Yeah. That was the only problem that I, you know, that I ever had in my life. Real severe problem. >> Wow. >> Yeah. That one little spot. Control how you understand where you go and see how you can remember where to go. I was walking in here getting lost just trying to find a staircase. >> Yeah. >> It was wild. Frustrating, too. What did he see about trauma and >> he said that he could see that when I was young I had a lot of severe trauma. He said uh it looks like you went through a lot of traumatic experiences. He said it was your uh how tell me about your your you know your upbringing and your parents and everything. I had to tell him you know it was very traumatic. My father was a drug addict and alcoholic. Uh my mother and father fought all the time. I would I would see my mom chasing my dad around the house with butcher knife you know. Um sometimes he'd leave and not come back for weeks months at a time. I'd walk across him walking through a neighborhood with my friends to go play basketball, you know. Um it was pretty crazy and a lot of verbal abuse, you know, a lot of physical abuse, too, unfortunately. Um and uh growing up in abject poverty, you know, we would plug our water hose into the neighbor's house and turn it on so that we can take showers in the backyard cuz sometimes we didn't have running water. Lot of moatza cracker and butter for food and uh and um uh Cairo syrup and toast. Okay. >> You know, fruit trees and neighbors fruit trees to get some food, begging for food. Uh, it was pretty >> in Miami Opalaka in the beginning and then later on moved from Opaaka to Liberty City, then from Liberty City. Eventually, we got into a nicer middle class neighborhood called Miami, New Orleans. And how we got there was I actually won $30,000. I filled my dad's information out on a HUD form uh uh housing urban development form to win 30,000 down on a property back then. and they had a big contest at the library. So I went to the public library and I filled all his information out and 3 months later we got a huge manila envelope in the mail. I said we won. And when he opened it, he jumped up so high his head on the the door frame. >> No way. >> And we ended up on channel 17 news down there and everything. They came and did a whole expose on us. But we ended up in a a three-bedroom uh two bath home with a pool in Miami, New Orleans. That's how we got out of the hood hood. We still struggled there even though the house was almost paid off with the 30 cuz the house was 80. We gave him 30 and it was still couldn't pay make the mortgage payment. >> Yeah. >> Because they only delivered newspapers for 11. They didn't have any real jobs, you know. >> Yeah. >> Were you closer with your mom or your dad? >> Closer to my mom. Yeah, for sure. You know, uh she was uh a little more calm, more logical, you know. I'm a very logical person. Um and she was there all the time because she didn't work really until much later. Other than doing the newspaper, she really was home all day. So, you know, definitely you you become closer to your mom. >> What was her name? >> Ingred. >> Ingred. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Those were different times back then when I hear stories from my uncles and my my grandfather before he passed away and stuff like uh h household violence. It was just it was kind of the world was a little more aggressive. It felt like it wasn't everybody didn't have a camera. So >> yeah, >> you know, it wasn't like it wasn't like >> in my crazy hood. It was >> people would get shot on my block, stabbed on my block, dead body across the street. It was out there for like six hours. This is back when they used to put the real chalk line. You know, they don't do that anymore now, but they used to put the chalk line, leave the body laying there for 5, six hours. >> Yeah. >> And then um when they drag the body away, the blood spots there, and then the parents come out and pour Coca-Cola on the blood to wash it out of the street cuz it eats the blood out. That's why I never drank soda. No soda for me. >> Yeah. >> Were Were you a book nerd? You said you were at the library filling out the HUD form. Were you like just in the library all the time just checking out books? >> We Okay. Okay. From the neighborhood we had moved to um before we got to the nicer place, they started busing uh minorities out to this other school called North Miami, which is more mixed. They were trying to blend. Um and so doing that, getting on the bus, there was a lot of racism. So they'd call me racial slurs and then I'd punch somebody in the face and I get kicked off the bus and I have to walk home three miles. >> What year is this circa? Like >> Oh man, this is uh back then it's called junior high school. So that would have been um let's see. Yeah, I graduated in '89 from high school. So, we got to go back from there. 898 >> 88 87. So, this is uh 84, 85, and ' 86. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Junior, Junior High School. >> Yeah. Junior high school. Yeah. Yeah. And so, they kicked me off. North Miami Junior High was the was the junior high school. Um they kicked me off the bus and I had to walk three miles home. So, the library was on the way. And I love books. I've been reading books since I was a little tiny kid. So, I just go in there for 2, three hours, read a whole bunch of books and magazines. It was like heaven for me. No internet back then, of course, you know, didn't exist and stuff like that. So, the >> library was the internet. >> It was the internet. Exactly. Yeah. And then walk home casually, you know, just walk home and um so when I went in there one day, they had that ballot box by the reception desk and I said, "U, what is this?" And it said, "Win $30,000 for a new home." So, I read all the information. I read all the instructions and I went home and I said, "Mom, I'm going to go walk home again tomorrow." She said, "But you can get back on the bus tomorrow." I said, "No, I'm going to walk home tomorrow because I there's this thing for $30,000 for a house. I'm going to fill it out with dad's information. I need somebody's information." She gave me his information. I went back and I filled it all out and boom. Yeah. That's how we got out of the hood hood into a pretty decent area. >> Did you have brothers and sisters? >> Yeah. >> Were they in the house also around that time? >> Mhm. >> What was the What did y'all What was the relationship like there? >> I was great at that time. I was like their dad really cuz you know I was pretty much raising everybody. >> You the oldest? >> I'm the oldest. Yeah. >> Of how many? of uh three at the time and then a fourth one came later when we got to the other place. >> Okay. >> Um the other the the house that we won basically or the money we won for the house. Uh he was a late just a surprise cuz my dad had a basectomy and everything but somehow one snuck through. So yeah. >> Oh no, don't tell me that. >> Yeah, it's not guaranteed. Still a 1% or whatever chance. >> Um and uh it was a great I used to cook for them in the bre cook breakfast in the morning if we had any kind of porridge or anything to make you know. If not, I would I would just warm up bread or warm up baloney slices or something for them. I would braid my sister's hair, take her to the babysitter, you know, walk my siblings to school. Um, you know, I was like the dad really the whole way, you know. >> Were you like protective older brother? >> Yeah. >> I remember one time my dad came homeed and he was arguing about a cookie was missing from his window sill. >> Some rotten cookie that had probably been up there for weeks or months or whoever knows. And then it turned into a explosive situation and he kicked us out of the house in the hood and I had to take them out and cover them up. We I said, "Come on." I took pillows and blankets outside and I just covered them up in the street, you know. >> Yeah. It's tough. >> Just do what you could. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just got to >> It's tough, you know. You just got to protect, you know, and so >> that was that for them. And they they really took they really got angry at me and they still are when I left. They still have this abandonment thing. At 16, my dad put a gun to my head because I paid him rent in the morning and he wanted more money that night, probably for more drugs or alcohol. >> You paid your dad rent to live in the house >> since I was 12. >> 12. I had to start paying rent. >> Yeah. What did he charge you? >> 100 bucks at 12 a month. And by the time I got to uh 16 years old, which was just, you know, high school it was 400 bucks a month. >> How did you make money? >> Well, when I was 12 and he told me, you know, you got to pay rent and I'm not going to buy you anything. I was like, well, I only got two pair of pants anyway. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] You ain't Don't tell me nothing. Don't threaten me. I was bleaching my pants and dying them so people wouldn't pick on me, thinking I would have more than just the two pair of pants. And the crotch was ripped open because I was growing so fast. They didn't really fit anymore. So, I wear a long t-shirt to cover my ripped open crotch. It was wild. But, uh, I I got a job at Miami News and the Miami News was a small paper in Miami at the time. They ended up getting absorbed by the Miami Herald. But they were selling, they were looking for kids 12 to 16 to sell newspaper subscription. So I went door to door doing that, became the top salesman for that. Um, and took my money and saved it. It wasn't a lot of money. You probably making like 70 bucks a week, you know, cuz I was selling pretty good. And I was getting tips from the people, too. >> It's pretty good. >> Yeah. Pretty good, right? And my friends were making like probably 30 bucks a week because they weren't they were lazy bums. Yeah. >> I was grinding, man. And um I took that money and I saved it. because I just knew I was going to need it for something. And one day I was outside in the front yard and I was sitting in my friend's dad's car and we were listening to a um an eight track player. You remember those? You can only play the song the whole record one at one way. >> No rewinding, no pausing, right? >> And I told him that I had a digital watch. I had a uh I bought one thing with my money. I bought a $19.95 calculator watch from Kmart. >> The black readout and the buttons. And I said to him, "This this readout, this LED readout is going to be on those radios one day." And he laughed at me. And I said, "I'm telling you, this it's it's going to change from this to this." And that same day, my mom sent me to the store to to go get some groceries, and I went straight to the magazine rack as usual. And I finally saw the Opportunity magazine. It used to be way up where I couldn't reach it. This time, it was down in like the c the the um the comic book section. I opened it. The page I opened it to was Galaxy Electronics. This was like for entrepreneurs, this magazine. And what was in there? Digital car stereoss wholesale. 25 bucks a piece. >> And I was like, "Oh my god, I can't believe this." And back then everything was COD. There weren't credit cards or online charging. Online didn't exist. >> No way. >> You call them up. I want this many Cood on delivery. UPS brings a product to you. You give him the exact amount of money or or a cashier's check. He puts it in a sealed envelope. It goes back to the warehouse or factory. That's how it worked back then. So I ordered a lot of the um of the radios and I started going to the high school and selling them to everyone. And every >> How much you sell them for? 25 wholesale. What was the >> 50 bucks? >> 50 bucks. >> Double my money. >> Double your money. >> Yep. Double my And everybody started buying. Nobody could compete because GBT Audio on 441 wanted like $150. >> That's right. >> And then they were coming to me like you wouldn't believe. I had the best ones, a high power with the high power EQ in it and everything. And then I got the guy from GBT, the kid who lived on my block. I said, "I'll pay you double." So he left GBT. >> He started hiring. >> He started working for me in my in my front yard. Dude, you're in middle school right now? High school. Middle school. >> Middle school. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Junior high. Yeah. I was killing the game. And then >> uh by the time I was 13, I was making more than my parents, you know. >> Um >> how did how did that feel? Did you feel Was there like a a p a power shift in there? Was it was it interesting with your dad making more money? Did he know you were making more money? >> Oh, he knew I knew as he kept raising the rent. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> He kept borrowing money, which I knew. Well, that was a permanent loan that was never going to come back, unfortunately. Um, but when my mom fell down in the grocery store around the corner, I told her, "I have an idea." She won $5,000 from that lawsuit. She fell down. I was in the store when she fell. Somebody said, "Man, your mom just fell out on on aisle two." I said, "Don't tell me that garbage, man." He said, "No, I'm serious." I ran over there. My mom was spread out on the floor. The uh seafood cooler had leaked. It turned off and the water had leaked out of the seafood cooler into the aisle and she didn't see it and she went up in the air. Had her hurt her knee pretty bad. Got five grand back then. So now that would be like 20 grand probably. Who knows? >> Sure. Oh yeah. >> But anyway, um there's a I said in this book I have this magazine, there's a company called Bond Trader and they have a machine called a Bond Trader dry foam extraction and carpet cleaning machine. I said if you get this machine you can make a lot of money. She says doing what? I said cleaning carpets and upholstery. It does it in a special way where it doesn't leave the moisture in the carpet and to wet the um the mat underneath and it dries the it dries pretty quickly and it also dries the upholstery pretty quickly on on furniture. >> I remember those things. My my mom would go and rent one of those for our own house and I would have to do that. You pour the water in, right? And you drag it and it it gets it wet and sucks it up at the same time somehow. And so it but the water was so dirty. I mean >> it was dirty. It was filthy dirty. >> You couldn't believe it. You pull this thing over your carpet and we're just laying on that. >> This is gross. >> Yeah, I know. So, she said, "Well, how am I going to get clients?" This is back in the 80s. That's a carpet. You know, these are the carpet days. Everybody had carpet. And I said, "You deliver newspapers for a living? I'm going to show you how to make a flyer at the print store around the corner and you're going to make flyers and you're going to put them inside the newspaper inserts and you're going to deliver your newspapers and people are going to start calling. This phone's going to ring off the hook. >> Mom, you control distribution. Don't you understand? >> Come on now. distribution. Let's throw some messaging in there. >> That's right. >> That's cool. Great idea. >> Yeah. Thank you. And that's exactly what happened. The phone rang off the hook. The first year they they formed Carson and Carson Carpet Cleaning. First year they made $70,000. >> Wow. >> First year. Now, right now that'd be like $250,000. >> Yeah. That's great money. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> First time they made money in their life ever. Ever. But they had to listen to me because they saw my success. >> Yeah. That's right. Yeah. >> You turned your mom into >> Your dad did it, too? Yeah. Did your mom and dad do it together? >> They did it together. He got clean for a while. >> Okay. >> He lasted about a good two and a half years clean. >> And unfortunately by the going into the third year, something triggered him. He was a very depressed man. He just it slowly grew back. It just slowly worked its way back in until he destroyed the whole company. By the fifth year was gone, you know, >> just >> But they had a little run. >> He probably had his own traumas he was dealing with. Did you ever Oh, yeah. >> get an insight into those. His dad went to go get a pack of cigarettes when he was five, never came back. And then his mom died when he was 16. >> Oh yeah. >> He'd been on his own ever since 16. So he became an alcoholic and a drug addict just trying to escape the depression. You know, I don't have any anger for him. I don't have any, you know, I don't hold harbor any bad feelings for him. Uh I feel like he was just a person that was really suffering and nobody knew how to really reach him. And uh he used to take me to his AA. He tried he took me as a little kid to his AA meetings. M >> you know I'd sit there and listen to all these stories and stuff. He just never could break through and really come clean, you know, for for the It's a hard thing to break. It's a disease. It really is a disease once you get on that stuff. >> It's hard. And he tried. He tried, man. He just couldn't do it. Yeah. I feel bad for him. When he passed away, I felt like he's finally free. Yeah, it >> was more like a relief >> than because, you know, just prior to him dying, I went up there to visit him with my the brother that's only one year younger than me and I could tell he just took, you know, some heroin and just was like he was stumbling all over the house and everything. He was just roasted. I was like, damn, it's Father's Day and came here to take you out and hang out. And we drove all the way up here to Melbourne, Florida, 2 and a half hour drive. And he was just uh he was roasted. You know, that was the last time I got to see him where I could actually talk to him. left there and then the next time I saw him he was already uh in a coma. >> Were you angry at him growing up? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. Because you know, you don't understand. >> No. No. >> You're just you're just in it. >> Oh, man. >> Yeah. >> What age were you able to like step back from it and look at it and maybe try >> Was it when he got older in the last decade or two or like when >> I this is even before way before he passed away. I would say probably like maybe 15 years ago now. I came to the realization like oh he's suffering. As I started getting more knowledge in psychology and psychiatry, I realized this is a man who's suffering internally and what's happening on the inside is manifesting on the outside. So everything I see on the everything I see on the outside of him, you know, the the house is all in disarray. You know, he's not clean. He's not taking baths, junk all over the place. He's always high or drunk. Things all over the floor everywhere. You know, that's that's what's that's what's going on in here. it's manifesting on the outside and I realized, wow, he's really suffering, you know, and it was just I just couldn't figure out a way to reach him. Um, I tried, but I just couldn't reach him, you know. He's severe trauma work needed to be done with him. Something really dramatic. He even died before and came back, you know, in a car accident. That didn't even help, you know. So, >> did he did he ever talk What did he have a near-death ex uh he died? Did he ever did he go somewhere? Did he see his life? Did he do a life review? all those things that we see or >> just said he woke up in the hospital and uh and that was it. >> It was Yeah. >> He didn't he didn't have any memories from it basically. >> No. >> I feel like if you if you go through a lot of trauma and you're struggling it's like you're kind of in this gutter >> and if you're going to come out of that, you need something some sort of attractor. >> And I think that we call that purpose. >> Yeah. >> I think you need a purpose that that's going to suck you out of it. How did you find purpose? Like where did you find purpose? I just found purpose in realizing that, you know, I didn't want to live the the life that I had seen not only my myself and my siblings, but even other family members were living. I realized early on that this wasn't for me. When I was 7 years old, I was struggling so badly and so hungry and my my friends were going to the ice cream truck and I was like, "How in the hell are they getting this money? We're in the same hood. Where's the money coming from? They got nice shoes, nice pants, you know, they got basketballs and soccer balls and all this stuff. They got a line of credit. What the hell? Yeah. You know, I'm like, where are they getting this? >> So, I took all my broken toys one day and went door to door and asked for donations from the neighbor's parents. I said, "Look, I'm just trying to get some money for the ice cream truck. I'll just take a penny, a dollar, nickel, whatever you have for my toys." When I squared the block, I had raised about $13 and change. And that's when I when I looked at that money, I said to myself out loud, I said, "Oh, it's going to be me that's going to save me." I knew it. I was like, damn, it's if I think about something and I act on it, I can get a different reality, a different result for me. That was the beginning of everything. >> How old were you? >> Seven. >> Seven. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I was like, this is it. If I do this, if I have a thought and I take action, cuz I took a risk. My mother said, don't leave this yard cuz, you know, you could die. >> Yeah. >> Any one of those houses I knocked on, I could have been gone, man. Never to be seen again. And there's no cameras back there. >> You're done. It's over. >> Yeah. I've been raped in somebody's basement, >> but uh >> or you just get smacked. Just get out of here. Just get smacked. Yeah. >> Shot. Whatever. Stabbed. >> Sure. >> But I took the risk. So I learned early on that there's a risk and but there's also a reward. If the risk, if you pan out with the risk, there's going to be a reward. And I learned that my conscious thoughts uh are powerful. And if I put action behind those thoughts, I'll get a manifestation. Something will change. I'll get a different reality. I I realized that I changed my time trajectory. my timeline shifted into this new timeline where I now had this power that I was aware of that I didn't have I wasn't aware of before and I started applying that to my life over and over again. I started seeing that I had real true control and I was standing in the front of the house that we were renting at the time and I told my my mom was looking at me like what's wrong son and I said I don't belong here and I'm getting out. I knew it you know. Yeah. I knew it. >> How did that So you read a lot. How did that get you into, you know, uh, aliens and our existence and how how did that how did you go from knowing I control where I, you know, if I change my mentality, >> I can go somewhere else? Yeah. >> Uh, did did you stumble then right into sort of all this esoteric knowledge and all of these things or or what was the road like to get to there? >> It was a long process. Very long process. So when I was very young, my dad realized I had a high aptitude for reading and comprehension. So he started me with like the simple books, you know, Sea Cat Run and all this kind of stuff and um Dr. Seuss and Sesame Street books and stuff that was simple stuff, but he would make me write a summary about what's in the book or what's on certain pages like a very short three four sentences. You know, I could write and everything at an early age and he was like, "This is incredible." So as I got a little bit older, he would make me do book reports on like more complex complex books. to them and he recognized that I can read good. He started having me do book reports on the Bible, book reports on encyclopedias, uh whatever was around the house, you know, read this, read that. I remember my first novel that I read was um The Seawolf by Jack London. Um and I had to do a whole book report on that. But that book, I still have a copy in here today. Uh it's like nostalgic, you know, but so that started to give me data points. when you start reading a lot of historical text and books that were laying around, a lot of encyclopedias and things like that, you start, for me at least, I was remembering these data points and I was able to start connecting certain dots at a very young age. But what really happened to me was when we got to that was in New York. When we got to Miami in 1977, I was in the backyard and I saw this object go over the backyard. I was watching airplanes go from the Opalaka airport, which is right around the corner. And I was like so amazed like man the thing is going so slow from here but I know it's got to be going fast you know a lot of uh prop planes and then I saw this thing go across the horizon and I was like whoa. And as soon as I said whoa it went and it stopped. It was lower this time and it was glowing metal a little bit longer than the egg but not quite egg but a little bit more elongated. Glowing metal completely silent not even a buzz and then it said it was just gone again. And I ran in the house and I was like, "Oh my god." And I told my mom, but I saw I knew it didn't have a cockpit, wings, tail fin, none of that stuff. She said, "Son, in the ancient times, there were advanced beings." She didn't say aliens. She said advanced beings that came to this planet. And she said they lived on tops of mountains. She said, "When you get older, you need to go to Machu Picchu." Which is why there's a picture of Machu Picchu in my first book in the front of the book. And the dedication is to my mom because of that. >> Your mom told you that? in the 70s. In the >> 70s know this >> I found out a little bit later how she came up potentially with this. Not exactly but maybe because she never told me that she had any kind of experience but my her sister who they were like best friends. They were the closest sisters. My my mom defended her against a family member that was sexually abusing some of the women in the family with a she defended her with a switchblade. So they became really close. But on her deathbed, that's my aunt. On her deathbed, she told me a couple days before she died that uh her and my mom got um picked up by beings. Again, she didn't say aliens. She said beings and taken off in a ship for a few hours in St. Thomas Virgin Islands, which is where they were growing up at the time, and then brought back. And I was like, "Wow." And she didn't know anything about me being forbidden knowledge or on TV. She doesn't even can't even turn on the phone. >> Yeah. This like 15 years ago. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I'm just like, okay, that's interesting. So maybe this is why my mom had that understanding. She told me that my mom said it's Ecclesiastes statement in the Bible, but she meant it like wholeheartedly like there's nothing new under the sun. She said everything that's here has already been here. Everything that's done has already been done. This is just one of the newest iterations of civilization on this planet. She knew that and she knew it deeply. Like I was like, "Wow." So when her telling me that, it wiped away any fear I had of looking into this topic because when your mom tells you something, >> you're on a mission. >> You got Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. She removed any fear, doubt, hesitancy that I might have run up against. >> Yeah. >> Because now my mom told me this is good. This is this is real. >> A mom can deliver a message like no one else ever. Exactly. Yeah. It's a singular connection in your life. >> Yes. So she delivered the hell out of that message. And so, but what happened was I went to the library at my school, my elementary school, and I got the encyclopedia botanica on aerospace because I was trying to figure out what did I just see? I never found it. But I started looking into black budget programs, uh, declassified aerospace technology, you know, SR71 Blackbird and and Delta wing and swept wing and and stealth and all this stuff, >> ballistic and intercontinental ballistics and everything. Yeah, >> I got deep into it as a little kid and I never stopped studying it. So, at first it was, okay, these beings are probably real. We don't have any technology that matches what I saw. So, I would talk to two friends that I trusted to talk to in the bushes. We'd hide in this open lot of bushes to talk about were they under from under the ocean, where they from space, where were they from, you know, just hypothesizing, just kicking it. And um that was the beginning. Much later, I started making the connection because of another experience that I had. I made the connection between ancient civilizations and high technology. And then I really got into the ancient civilizations because I realized these were the ancient beings that my mom was trying to tell me about. They were here and they're responsible. They're the architects or the master architects of these structures. Human beings built them. But they're the ones who laid out the blueprint. >> Wait, so I miss you said you were in New York and then you came down to Miami. When were you in So when were you in New York? How old? >> New York is uh 71 to 77. >> Okay. >> Came down in 77 to Miami. >> Okay. Yeah. And did you say you saw this thing in the sky when you were you were like seven or eight or Okay. And then did you say that you used to meet under the bushes with some friends to talk about what it used to be? There's like a fort you had or like a hideout. >> We had a hideout in this open lot. So in this in this area there was a couple of empty spots where houses weren't built yet. >> And the bushes, you know, the saw grass that we have down here, 15 20 foot high sawrass. And to keep other people from coming in to bug us, other kids, we dug holes in the ground on the route through so they would fall in these holes. It was weird, but anyway, whatever. And we were back there talking about this stuff cuz you know we had tried to talk about it in front of them and they started picking on us and wanted to jump us and beat us up. >> Oh yeah. >> So we hid in the bushes to talk about it. >> Dude. Yeah. I had a I had a bushes for it too. We had a dog that used to actually protect us from other dogs or whatever would come by. >> Nice. Nice. >> That's hilarious. >> Those are the good days. Those are the best times. >> These kids don't know nothing about that now. >> No, it's a little different. It's a little different. They got other encrypted ways to talk now. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Dang. >> Yeah. Um, so you get into this kind of early on and then when did you make your first trip over to Egypt? When did you actually say I got to go see this stuff? How'd you get the money for that? >> Like and then >> was YouTube around like was like what actually you were such an entrepreneur growing up. >> Yeah. You were so Yeah. >> It feels like you were destined to be entrepreneurial from the start. >> Oh yeah. >> So where where did your entrepreneurial like once you started getting old enough to think about leaving the house? I guess you'd have been like maybe 16, 17. >> 16. >> 16. >> I got the hell out of there. Yeah. >> And did you already have vision for some entrepreneurial journey? Did it include anything about the esoteric or was it just you were still just getting out? >> I was still running. I was getting out cuz my dad put a gun to me. You know, he put a gun he wanted it was in the morning. I gave him his 400 and that evening he wanted another 400. I was like, I already paid you the 400. And he's like, you didn't pay me. It was turned into a big argument. And he pulled a gun out and just put it right here, right in the center of my forehead. And this is how I know I did the trauma work because I could never talk about this without breaking down, >> right? >> But now because of the trauma work that I've done and all the work I've done on that even that specific topic, I don't break down anymore about it. Um it's not that I'm numb to it, but I recognize it separate from myself in a different experience from a different time period. I don't connect to it like I'm not fully tethered to the emotional trauma of it happening as if I'm reliving it in the moment. I can just observe it from a distance now. And when he did that, I said, I got to go. This is it for me, you know. It's like um it's like Simba getting kicked out of the pride. You know, it's time to go, man. >> It is. It is. It does sound like a lion, a young lion, bucks old lion, and it's it's time to go form a new tribe. >> So, I went and I took a garbage bag, a 40-gallon garbage bag. I threw everything I could fit in that garbage bag, threw it in the back of my car, and drove off, you know. >> Uh ended up at this place called Star Creek Apartments, was not that far away, probably three miles, maybe four miles away. And uh fortunately my mom was nice enough to sign off to give the adult approval that I can get the apartment. I had enough money to pay for it, but she had to a parent had to sign off, which she did. She understood, man, like I had to go, man. You know, >> it was going to be a battle in that house. Um and I stayed in Star Creek Apartments since that's my first expose out there. >> I started realizing I wanted to travel and do things. And I was still running my own businesses. I had all these different ideas and things. I was always running and something. I was an entrepreneur like, you know, let me try this, let me try that. Just trying things out. You know, you never know what's going to pop. >> Yeah. >> And some things were going great, some things weren't going so great. Um, but I had one company that was doing pretty good and I was saving up some money. Oh, I thought it was a lot of money. Now I realize it wasn't that much. >> And I said, "Where can I go that's going to be let me see these ancient sites, right? That's not going to be too expensive, not going to be too far." Um, and I picked Mexico. Mexico at that time did not require a passport to travel. Didn't even need a passport. Mexico in the Caribbean, no passport. All you had to do was go there with your original birth certificate and your ID. Boom. You're good to go. So, I went to Mexico and uh it was amazing because I get there and I do the foreign exchange for the currency and I had $500. That's all I went with. 500. They gave me so much money. >> Imagine. Yeah, I thought I was rich. I was like, I'm moving to Mexico. Holy [ __ ] This is crazy. And I'm thinking, I can't believe I have all this money. And then I went and bought lunch and it was like a million dollars. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I was like, "Oh, >> you had a bunch more paper. You didn't realize it was all worth less." >> Yeah. Yeah. They got me. I was I was I was green. I was a green go. >> Yep. >> Um but I had a great time. I went to got on a bus, went all the way through the jungle to Chanita. Back then it still wasn't a lot of paved roads back then, >> right? Oh, yeah. Still down there. >> Yeah. Uh stopped at this jungle retreat and and they let us have this dinner with these people dancing and you know, indigenous people dancing and all this. I was like, "Wow, this is amazing." Went down to and and climbed the Kokan pyramid, which you can't climb anymore. >> No, I was just there. You can't climb it. >> Yeah. I took a picture at the top, which I still have, which is great. Um you know, and uh just got to experience that whole thing. And after that, I was hooked. I was like, I'm going to do this for the rest of my life and this is it. This is it for me. >> So, you went all the way down to Chich when you're 18. >> Yeah. No, I wasn't 18. >> Oh, you were uh >> No, no, no. That was now uh to do that when it was a little bit older than that. That must have been in my 20s. So, that was already by cuz I already had started my business. I needed time to get myself situated and everything else. Yeah. >> So, this would have been probably like 27 was my first trip. >> Yeah. >> 27. But still like you got to fly into where did you cross the border actually on a bus from >> No, I flew >> you flew Mexico City or >> flew from Miami Mexico air. Flew from Miami all the way to uh Cancun to Cancun the party place. >> Yeah. Took a bus though over to Yeah. Or up to I guess and and past Merida. >> Yeah. Yeah. Down to the Yucatan Peninsula. >> Man, that must have been cool back then. Just just be like on a bus hanging out with cell phones. Like you don't know where you're at. >> You don't know where you're at. I don't know if I'm going to make it back. Who knows? >> I don't know if I have enough money to last this trip. >> Yeah. Yeah. You don't speak Spanish or No, a little bit. A little bit Spanish. >> A little bit Spanish. Enough to get in trouble. >> Traveler Spanish. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. A little enough. I can I can understand a lot of it that has Spanish relatives. >> But to be a 27-year-old and prioritize seeing ancient site. I mean, that is just a that's not every 27y old at that time is going to be thinking that. >> And this is like circa 2000 then. And so, yeah, not really YouTube yet. Not really. You're not monetizing this. You're not doing this. >> YouTube didn't come to 2007. >> Yeah. This is passion. >> You're not thinking this is part of my career. you're just you just want to see teach. >> I just want to see it. I just want to see the world. I said, "This is incredible. >> Now I've got to get where else can I go, you know?" Yeah. >> And so I started making like a a a bucket list of places I wanted to go >> and it took me a little while after that to get to the next site, >> but you know, I started working and saving and then life got started lifing you know, in situations or whatever. Um and uh my oldest son was born, you know, and this and that. So it was this process of being able to finally break free and start traveling again, do what I wanted to do. But the next big big trip that I took to an angel site was 2014. >> Okay. >> And 2014, I finally felt like I broke free. I finally felt like I was really in a position to be um financially free to travel. I had become financially free prior to that, >> but with the kids >> Yeah. and the sports and I'm coaching their teams and you know I'm volunteering at the schools and everything else. >> Yeah. Cuz in 2004, well 1997, I started a company called Marketing Group. >> That was one of the very firsts >> and I was doing uh website development. Uh I had taught myself how to do websites on my own at bookstore. C++, ASP, um HTML, PHP and JavaScript taught all selftaught. Make the websites service based industry. You don't got to do SKs. Sell them on the phone, go out, pitch them, collect the money, put the websites up, boom, boom, boom, like a machine. 10 grand a week, easy. So, I did that pretty successfully. That was 97 to 2004. Then I got uh acquired by a company called Globench System. So, I was on the Pink Sheets on OTC and then we ended up end up getting bought out by the Amber Alert system. Um, so you know, then I took some time off and that's when I started all my coaching career. I was known as Coach Billy before I was known as Forbidden Knowledge basketball coach. I was coaching AA Junior Olympics, US Junior Olympics, uh, UTSA, all those things and volunteering at high schools and coaching high school basketball too when I finally got to that level. When they my kids got to that level and then finally when they were all pretty much just about done, I said, "Okay, it's time, you know, I got to get out of here." And so 2014, I went to Egypt and that's when my mind was blown. And that's when I realized, yeah, I don't care how much it cost. I knew it was going to be expensive at that point. I I don't care how I've spent millions now traveling millions unsponsored millions traveling the world. Been around the world now 23 times and there's still so many places to go. >> That's right. >> That's how big this planet is. It's wild. >> Yeah. Well, and you had to set up sort of a self I I'm guessing like I never think about the pink sheets from the.com bubble. You always hear about the.com bubble in Silicon Valley and the huge companies, but you know, I never think there's always deals happening and it's all levels and so there's pink sheets and there's everything >> man. get in that you get in at a penny or two pennies and all of a sudden it goes to 20 cents and if you got a few million shares you just eight you have 30 40 million shares which is easy to buy. >> Yeah. >> My grandpa was always on the other side of that. He was always telling me he'd have guys call him up and be like hey we got a penny stocks going and then it would just drop more. >> Oh god bumps and dumps. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. >> I know. >> How was Yeah. So how was it like to to try to set up a way to because you spent mill millions on traveling. You got to set up a way to fund all this and then you probably want to get other people involved too. You want Initially, I just wanted to go get my experience and try to find a way to make my own connections because I knew eventually I'd like to be able to take people with me to see these amazing sites. >> I knew that eventually my voice would be heard. I didn't know how or when. I knew I knew I knew how, but not specifically how. not not the internet phrase didn't exist, >> but when I read a hopey prophecy, this is back in 200 um >> I think it was 2010 maybe I read the hopey prophecy and it was about it said in the future the world no I'm sorry not 2010 I'm sorry this is I'm going too far ahead now it was uh 1995 2010 is when the other thing happened 20 1995 is when I read the hopey prophecy and it say in the future the world will be connected by a worldwide web and information will travel to and fro instantaneously So I started looking at what that could mean the the world would be connected by this web and information is traveling to and fro. I just said, "Wow, if that means maybe that the phones are going to evolve or something, you know, and I'll be able to to get my voice heard and people can hear what I have to say." So I said to myself, if if I can if I can live long enough to whenever this happens, the whole world will hear my voice. And then I made it, you know, I made it to the worldwide web era. Worldwide web era where in 97 I saw a TV commercial that said IBM.com all black screen. And I was like, what is this? Came on during an NBA game. Now that's expensive. And so it came on again. And then a third time I said, "Okay, I got to know what this is." Got to go to the bookstore. No, no computers at home, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. >> Go to the bookstore and I asked, "What is this.com?" This is how I got into websites. And that's when they the lady said, "Over there, that's the worldwide web section." I was like, "The worldwide web section? Oh, man." I ran over there. I started looking at the books. I was like, "It's here. This is it." And at that moment, I knew the world would hear my voice. I just knew it. I >> because there would be a platform at one point where information was traveling say y >> that was on how to actually get on it and build and >> Yeah. >> I said this is here. I knew from that moment this is the web that I that was I was waiting. and I lived long enough to see it. It wasn't even that far away from the time I read the prophecy and that's when I said this is going to be a game changer not just for me but for everybody. >> So did you have a MySpace and some of those things early on or was YouTube the first foray into it? Like >> YouTube was first. >> YouTube was first. >> And why it was first was because I was coaching uh the sports like I told you for women's basketball and my daughter was playing for my older daughter was playing for me at the time. My second daughter didn't pay to play until a little bit later, but my older daughter was really good and I was coaching her and training her. And in middle school, she was breaking three-point records and everything else in games. And she started getting a lot of attention from the the neighborhood, the Tri County area. The coaches were like, "We got to be prepared for this girl because she can shoot. You got to defend her. We got to be double teams to her and all this stuff." And then YouTube was out. Just happened. So I was like, "I should put I should record this and put this on YouTube." Nobody was doing it yet. So, I recorded her in one of these great games and I put it on YouTube and the views were through the roof. It was like 20 something,000 views from back then in the beginning. Yeah. >> That was like a million views now. >> Yeah. >> And it got the attention of the New York Times. And so that article is still online today. The New York Times contacted me. >> They called it armchair recruiting. Billy Carson something something armchair recruiting. And they the interview was about like what gave you this idea? And I was like, well, you know, this is going to be the future to instead of coaches spending school budgets traveling all over the world trying to see if they can find a player, they'll be able to just literally turn on YouTube and watch highlights of players and decide if they want to go then see more so they can govern the budget better. And also I had gotten um a lot of recognition from college coaches with this video and she started getting letters in middle school from colleges which was unseen. I mean, a girl getting letters from college in middle school, she got about 15, 20 letters in in middle school. I saw it as a great tool. So, I decided then to utilize that to help all these girls get scholarships. So, every time a girl would get to, you know, 10th, 11th grade, I would start, if they didn't have offers, I start promoting them on YouTube and send it out to all the college coaches with this database I bought and they'd all get offers. >> It was incredible. >> Yeah. >> Dang. >> So, the program I ran was 121 players. I created a program down here in Miami. down in Miami called South Florida Lady Jaguars. And the Lady Jaguars had 121 players across all different teams, age groups. And as they went through the system, every single player got a scholarship. $12 million in scholarships. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> They say thank you. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, that's cool. >> They're very grateful. Yeah. And when the one when some didn't get them before graduation or right when they graduated, I would do special um uh things where I would hold like a gym. I rent a gym on my own dollar and I'd have an exposure tournament. I'd have college coaches that, you know, cuz now I'm sending them players left and right. They got to listen to me. So now they're going to show up and watch these players. I would get a lot of the D2 schools to come in and they pick up players for me, you know. >> How did you Why did you stop? >> My last daughter graduated. >> Oh, >> yeah. Justin was doing boxing. >> All right. >> He's former state champion boxing. >> Hey, come on, dude. >> Yeah. And uh Bobby was uh finished at you know she she wrapped up high school and she had a full scholarship to Elon University which is a small D1 >> North Carolina. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Right. She ended up unfortunately tearing her ACL but she had the scholarship and um my older daughter had a scholarship to University of North Carolina Greensboro. She went there. >> Right on. >> Yeah. She ended up finishing up at Jacksonville because the whole staff left because they didn't like the athletic director or something. So her coach left and went to some other school. So she transferred to to Jacksonville University, finished up there at that D1. But that's why I stopped, man. I just, you know, he pulled me out of Justin pulled me out of retirement one tournament. He was playing for this travel team and his coach was slick. He knows like Billy used to be a good coach. So we're going to overbook this tournament with all these teams and we're going to act like we can't send a coach to coach his son's team. Now I have to put on the cape and get in the game. And I did. >> Yeah, I almost messed up cuz the team didn't want didn't want the other coach to come back. like they want to stay with me forever. >> Is that right? You do all right. >> Dang, that's cool. >> We We got We got I think we almost got to the championship in that tournament. I just I just met these kids >> and you like you like coaching. It's fun. >> I love it. It's fun. Yeah. It's but it's a lifestyle. >> When you're doing coaching, there is no ancient civilization. There is no metaphysics. There's no quantum physics. There's no forbidden knowledge. It's coaching and that's it. If you want to be high level. >> Yeah, man. >> And I I don't do anything low level. So, if it's high level, >> it's dedication. It's morning, noon, and night. It's a lifestyle. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I grew up as a gym rat. My dad was coaching my older siblings all the time. Yeah. With my older sibling. Yeah. It's it's all day every weekend. You're traveling every weekend. >> It is. >> But you make a huge effect on kids' lives. >> Oh yeah. >> It's like it's a different sort of investment. It doesn't have like a payoff. Exactly. But it does, you know, >> it's a great emotional payoff and just the the gratitude that I receive from them. >> It's a purpose. It's a really strong purpose. >> I used to take 21 of the top players, the older the 15 and 16u on uh tour in the summers, you know, and just take them all over the United States playing in these big tournaments. Um, and you know, their moms and dads would send them. Some didn't have money, so no shoes, no socks, you know, no personal items. I'd have to go get their cycle products and stuff in the store. Uh, and I have to guard the rooms cuz these are girls. >> Yeah. >> Guard the rooms cuz if there's a boys tournament going on at the same time, I'm up all night guarding the hallways. >> You ain't coming in here, brother. Keep on walking. You know, >> cuz you were young ones. You know what happens. >> Yeah. Oh, I know. And on my watch, no sexual assault, no rape, no pregnancy, no nothing on my watch. >> That's right. Yeah. So, yeah, it was good. It was good times. >> How are you making money during this time while you're coaching? >> I had millions of dollars already. I had sold my >> company so you could afford to not work. >> Yeah. I took eight years off basically. Yeah. >> Right on. Yeah. Then when my non when my um non-compete and everything wore off, I jumped back in. >> I jumped back in before they graduated. I jumped back in around 2008 lightly just dabbling in mobile apps. >> And I developed a revolutionary mobile app. >> It was a mobile app that would allow uh college college coaches to talk to high school kids without violating the NCA guidelines because there were no rules for apps at the time. >> And so through the app, the kid can upload all their highlights. They can upload um their schedule where they're going to be, what games are, all their stats can go in the app, right, in real time. They can upload them very the night before, the night after. And then the coach can just download their app. Like my daughter was one of the first ones. April Carson, download the April Carson app, right? 20,000 coaches had that app. So now they're getting updates and notifications when she's playing and what her scores were and how many threes she hit and all this kind of stuff. Kelvin Taylor was the second one. He ended up going to the NFL. Fred Taylor's son. He got to college and then he uh went pro and that him that process with him made the app go famous. It went like national news, mainstream news, you know, and I realized, wow, yeah, just develop more apps for things, you know, so I started playing around with a lot of apps. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There was an app for everything at one point. I think AI is kind of condensing it now, but I think GPT is becoming that, but for a while it was just create an app for it. >> Yeah. >> Cuz there was a need. >> Exactly. Exactly. So those are good times, too, you know. But yeah, >> it's it's so cool to hear your story because I can see that from early you did you knew you had to get out. you knew you knew that what you said like it's going to be me that saves me >> and because you had that mentality every every new step you were just looking for ways to make it everything you see you're like how do I advance that where do I fit how does this go >> y >> and so it's interesting because you're even when you talk about like ancient aliens and stuff it feels like you have an entrepreneur's mindset because you're not just wondering about the historical you don't sound like an academic who's like oh well look at look at this and look at this it's more of like what does this mean for the future and that is an entreprene entrepreneurs mindset you're like what will this eventually mean for Yeah, I'm a futurist. >> You are a futurist. Yeah. >> I look for anything. I look what's on the horizon, you know, and I try to analyze that. I meditate on that >> because I know that if you can nail one or two things >> Yeah. >> man. >> Asymmetric returns. Yeah. >> It's like you change. >> Well, yeah. That's what we learned as entrepreneurs. It's like you can swing a 100 times and if if one hits, you did better than if you had stuck with a a straight narrow path the whole time. >> Yeah. I always say everybody thinks it's about your batting average. Like are you are you hitting it every time? Yeah. And you were hitting home runs here. Like it does I can it's Babe Ruth. It doesn't matter if you strike out a million times. You hit one home run. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't matter. That's all you needed. And everybody wants their batting. Everyone wants to be right every time and linearly climb. And they don't understand the exponentials of a home run. >> No. Yeah. They don't. And and the grind too. A lot of people let self-sabotage, procrastination, and fear destroy any opportunity they have to grow and become as big as they could possibly become, you know, and um obstacles are going to come. No matter what you're doing, I don't care how great you are at it. Obstacles will come, hurdles will come. You know, I've been through everything. I've made a lot of money when I was younger and then became homeless, you know? I mean, I'm like, man, how did I end up in this situation? I heavy load heavy loaded myself in one client. I had a marketing company and that that marketing com I mean that client they had some internal issues with their ownership and one owner wiped the account clean and moved back to Canada and uh the other guy was like no I'm going to take I got you don't worry and all of a sudden they owe me like 70 $80,000 my my mortgage is three months behind my car payments three months behind I'm losing my car I'm losing my house I'm losing everything I end up getting a a a car from Anything on Wheels in Fort Lauderdale $350 hooptie a 1978 Buick Lasaber Limited with rusted out >> hell yeah >> tops you know ragtop um and I had to get it on layaway and I had to go down to um this place called Aventura in this part place called William William Leman Causeway there was little small hotels at the time back there with a lot of prostitution and stuff going on now they're all big highrises but I asked the motel owner I said can do you mind if I just sleep in my car in your parking lot I won't cause you any trouble he said don't cause me any trouble I said I won't if I slept in that car. The first couple days, I ain't going to lie, I was down on myself. I was trying to figure out like, what the hell am I going to do? What's my next move? You know, and then I got 30 bucks from a friend. I took 10 bucks to use for gas and the other 20 I went to the motel owner and said, "Can I have $20 in quarters?" I went to the pay phone on the street corner right there on the corner of uh A1A and um William Leman. It was right there on the corner, right by the red light. So, I had to wait for the cars to stop before I made calls. I just took the yellow book from underneath, opened it up, start cold calling companies. market to see if I can get new marketing agreements. Cold call them, wait. When the red light stops, I'm calling. When the cars go, I'm waiting. I was just brutal. But I got myself some appointments, went out on them, closed some deals, made some money, got some advanced payments, uh got myself off the street, into another apartment, eventually got myself back into a nice car, eventually got myself back into a house, cuz a recipe is a recipe. I came back from a pay phone and a pocket full of quarters. So, you know, listen, you can always make a comeback once you know the recipe. The recipe to success never changes. >> What is it? >> CT multiplied by A equals M. That's my formula. Conscious thought multiplied by action equals manifestation. You cannot get to the manifestation without the first two parts. You have to have the conscious thought and then you have to put the action shifts behind that thought, but it's got to be multiplied. You got to go above and beyond the call of duty to make it happen. And once you do that, you're going to create a new timeline. Your timeline will actually shift in real time, and you'll be on a different future. You'll rendevous with a different future that wasn't there for you before you took the action. If you don't take the action, you stay on this path, a path of damnation and destruction. But when you take the action, boom, you end up over here, you know? And so, because I knew that from being a little kid selling those toys, I just applied to everything. It never ends. That's that's the formula. I trademarked it. That is the formula. CT multiplied by A equals M. I have t-shirts with it on and everything cuz I believe in it so much. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, it worked for you. >> If you apply that, I guarantee you you'll be on a different timeline. >> You will shift. >> You think about it consciously first. You think, where do I want to go? >> Then you get your button gear. Like you said, you were cold calling, which is hard. A lot a lot of people stop there because they're afraid of getting rejected. >> Rejection. >> You didn't have the fear of rejection. >> I saw every rejection as getting next to my first yes. I remember when I was first raising capital for Forbidden Knowledge, I hop on the phone, I get a lead to call back to try to, you know, see if they want to buy some shares and try to do a pitch deck with him and everything else. The guy's like, "No, I don't want to do this." I was like, "Yes, I'm getting closer to my first real yes. My first real share buyer is going to come soon because he I got rid of this guy. He doesn't want him >> next." You see, the mindset's got to be different. >> It's very stoic. I think was it Ryan Holidayiday? He's got that book uh the obstacle is the way >> and he talks about how you look at anybody who's successful and if you're thinking well they had this and they had that and they had this they did what you're trying to say is they didn't have an obstacle and I have an obstacle I have a reason I can't be this way and they didn't have that >> and if you look if you study the stoics and Marcus Aurelius there is always an obstacle and the obstacle is the way to getting to where you want to go it's not about wishing how do we get around it it's about going through it and once you kind of realize oh everyone has obstacles. It doesn't matter where you are, you think you get through one and now there's no more obstacles. That's not true for anyone. No, you could be any layer of society and you always have an obstacle. And so having that mentality to, oh, this is how I'm going to do it. Oh, oh, I'm going to do it through this obstacle. Oh, and then you get through that. Oh, now this is the obstacle I'm going to get through to get to keep to to go where I'm going. Exactly. It's a totally different mentality versus wishing that obstacle wasn't there and oh, they didn't have the same obstacle as I have, so there's the reason they're successful and I'm not. It's a total uh it's a wakeup moment, I think, to to realize that. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Cuz the world's still hard. It's not If it was a perfect world, it would be nice if we didn't have to face and we could run away from obstacles. But I It seems like we're hybrids. Like I I kind of think we're a mix between animals and something that was smarter than animals. But the animal part, the animal kingdom, you look at it, it's still wild. >> Yeah. I I saw uh Hunter Biden was just on a podcast. He got interviewed and he's Joe Biden's son. Yeah. And >> you know they asked him about uh you know what's it like you know obvious it's a three and a half hour long interview but he went into the idea he said he said what's hard to convey is that I'm always his son and so anything I did if I was successful at it everybody would go oh it's cuz he's Joe Biden's son. And so he said, "I tried to pick an innocuous thing that had nothing to do with my dad, and that was painting." >> And then I'm painting, and now my paintings are starting to sell. And everybody's like, "Oh, it's cuz you're Joe Biden's son." >> And he's like, "I I can't do anything, any success in my life, in any industry, anything I choose." Everyone looks at me and goes, "It's because you're Joe Biden's son. It's not cuz you're talented. It's not because I've read everything or I know all it's not because of any of my things. It's always this." And I'm like, and he and he was, it was a really cool moment because he was he was demonstrating that like that is his obstacle. You mean everything you do, everyone's gonna come at you hard and go, you didn't deserve it because your dad's Joe Biden. And he's like, and that's a that's a that could be debilitating. And I think it was for him for a long time. But it's so to point, it doesn't matter if you're the president's son, you have an obstacle that you have to overcome and it's going to be presented to you. >> Yeah. Yeah. For him, it's a psychological obstacle. >> Totally. which are sometimes, >> oh, those are difficult. >> Those are real. >> Those are the harder ones because now you're dealing with the subconscious. The programming code that's in the subconscious can be so powerful and so strong, it can control your every move and your every thought, all your emotions, even your hormones in your body are controlled. And so, it's a very difficult um one to overcome. Sometimes it's better to have a physical obstacle or something that you know, a banking obstacle or something like that. But what I started doing was seeing a lot of these obstacles as um challenges to be to find solutions for them. solve to be solved. So when I start seeing now what I see is okay, there's situations that are holding me back or stopping me from getting to my end goal. Instead of seeing them as quote unquote problems, I see them as situations that need to be solved. So you got to flip the frequency on that and then you go into problem solving mode. And if you can't find the solution, you got to link up with people who have the solution or learn or research how to get to the solution. And if you go with the solutions mindset, now you're a problem solver. You're not a crybaby. You know, like I say, don't be a worrier, be a warrior. And uh if you do that, you know, you'll get through a lot of these obstacles. You'll find and you'll now you have data points in your mind. When this comes up again, I already know what to do. The second I see it on the horizon, I can stop it before it happens because a genius solves problems before they happen. And uh you know, and so once you get to that point, it's like, wow, I'm navigating smoother. It's not that the obstacles aren't there or didn't arise. It's that you you can foresee them and you can navigate them a lot easier. you know how to follow the breadcrumbs through the matrix, you know. Um, and so that's that's a huge part of also going through a lot of different scenarios that are that would really crush most people. They'd be crush it they would just give up some of the stuff I've been through. >> But, you know, I don't have that in me. >> How much do you look at the world as fate and versus free will? How much do you look at it as like there is a destiny that I need to kind of understand what that is and how much of it is this other mentality? Do you know what I mean? Like where where do you stand on free will? free will versus predestination. >> I believe in 100,000% free will. I don't believe in any destiny at all. I mean, the reason why is because quantum physics, quantum mechanics has proven now, uh, not proven, I'm sorry, let me say it's a theory. The theory is that, okay, you splinter realities every time you make a conscious decision and take action behind it. So, there's this everything exists in a superp position in quantum mechanics. In other words, every potential outcome is going to happen and can happen will happen. Even in the subatomic level in the um double slit experiment, they took this little tiny microscopic box, they put a little partition in between it with two slits. They started shooting individual photons and individual electrons to see what the pattern would be on the back wall. Should be a digital pattern. But when they opened up the box, it was a wave pattern. So they put a looking device in. All of a sudden, it was a digital pattern when they looked. when they didn't look >> right was a particle when they looked when they didn't look it was a wave. So they realize that matter or this they realize something called wave particle duality exists and that everything exists as waves on even on our scale it still exists as waves of potential future realities all exist at once and if that's the case because of hermetic principles principle of cause and effect when you make a conscious decision and take action behind it you're going to have an effect that's going to be a consequence you can have good consequences and you can have bad consequences but you're guaranteed to get a consequence out of it. Those consequences are alternate timelines. So if I make a decision to pick up this glass now, I just splintered my timeline in another version of my timeline. I never picked up this glass bottle. I never I guess I just kept talking about something else. So I splintered this timeline and I altered this timeline. I can make another decision to drop this bottle and let it break on the floor. So you're creating we're creating reality on the fly because there's waves of potential and because consciousness is not local to this dimension. It's multi-dimensional. It's not local here. It's being streamed in. It's not made in the brain. It's being it's being streamed into the brain and collected by the brain. And then we are inhabiting this body with a soul that's animating this avatar body. So because consciousness is not local, what's happening is it's higher dimensional. higher dimensional things can visit and experience the past, present, and future all at once. If you were in a higher dimension right now, you'd be able to see me in this house at different stages of my life. >> Yep. >> And you'd see me in different rooms. >> I liken it to uh reading a book. >> Yeah. >> Cuz we are in a different dimension than characters in a book. And so I can pull a book out and I can flip to the end and I can flip to the beginning because I'm in a higher dimension. This book is a smaller dimension. And if those characters could go, how does this guy know where I'm going? He doesn't know. They're living it page to page, word to word. They don't know I can flip all the way to the end. And that's a abstractive way of describing a and and and just as those people in the book, those characters in the book can't imagine what this world looks like and I'm holding that book. >> It's hard going to be hard for us to imagine what that higher dimension could be, but at least we understand it in this little example that there is something else out there. >> Fantastic metaphor. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. On the head. You hit it. You hit it. You knocked it out of the park. That's kind of a physics perspective on free will going down to the quantum and how there's different but and I've I've realized just just as living as a human that there's also like you mentioned earlier there's a hormonal there's all this stuff going on inside your head and you can live completely reactionary. Oh yeah. >> And so there's a different aspect of free will which is like have you reached in and grabbed it yet I think because you first have to realize >> which of your instincts are are yours? >> That's true. >> Which of your thoughts that you're thinking are because you want to be thinking those thoughts? I think a lot of us are thinking thoughts that are happening because we saw something and then we ate a piece of toast and then we're moving on. You know, we're just living our day. Yeah. And I agree. >> You're not going to be able to control your destiny or or manipulate it until you realize who you really are. Until you truly understand that, you've got several things working against you. The first thing is your subconscious programming, which has been given to you before you were even born. Cuz when when you're in the gestation period in the mother's womb, all of her emotions, what she's eating, the arguments that she's having, her stress and her happiness, and all that's being programmed into you from the gestation period before you even hop out of the womb. Then when you get out, you're getting all of the programming from the age of 1 to seven from TV, from your parents, from relatives, from the system, and everything else. And that's programming who you truly choice. You basically have no choice to make that. >> Exactly. That's hard to break. And then on top of that, you've got 15 to 20 generations of your ancestors epigenetics inside of your body, creating also other emotions and feelings passed down from the RNA on the dad's side going 15 to 20 gener generations back. So now I'm battling all the subconscious programming, >> your code. >> I'm battling all this programming code. All these hormones are getting released with all these codes in the body. And I got to fight the epigenetics. I even got slavery epigenetics in my body. It just ended not too long ago. I got 400 years. I still got slavery epigenetics in my body. So, I've got to now battle that too. But until a person, if they can become conscious enough to realize what I just said and find a way to work on that, do the shadow work to begin to begin to realize they're not their thoughts, they they are the observers of their thoughts. And once they realize they can observe their thoughts and that they're not part of this NPC, non-player character, that they're multi-dimensional, that they're just animating this body for now for this temporal amount of time, then they can realize, oh, I can really manipulate this timeline if I really want to. But most people will never even hear, think, or know about that option. So yes, they'll walk thinking based on destiny and what their code's telling them. When they're born, they're given a name, a race, and a religion. and they spend the rest of their life defending a false identity. >> Mhm. Do you think that that's a a feature or a bug of humanity that we don't know that? How does that why does every child have to discover that? >> It's definitely I call it a a generational virus, something that we have to break the curse. You know, breaking a curse is realizing I do have epigenetic memories. I do have things that are holding me back that I'm not even aware of. and finding a way to fight and combat those things and become more conscious and catching myself and realigning myself with who I truly am or who I truly want to be. But it takes a lot of selfwork to get to that point where you're not most people are scared to even look at themselves in the mirror, right? Um, but it is definitely a generational curse in that we are passing down this mental psychological virus from generation to generation to generation because my grandparents and my mother told me. Now I'm going to give it to and we think it's right because it's been given to us. Who's Billy Carson? No, I didn't make that name. Somebody gave me that name. I don't even know where the Carson name comes from. I still haven't looked that up yet and I'm running around. I'm Billy Carson. No, I'm not. >> What does that mean? What does it mean? What does it really mean? That's just sounds you're making with your mouth. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. So, you know, I got to find out who I really am at my core, you know? So, a lot of people haven't spent the time doing that, discovering who they are at their very very core. Yes, you're going to use the names for identification purposes, but who are who are you? Have you worked on that? Have you tried to figure out who you really are yet? You know, uh that's a thing that a lot of people that's why I started my Forbidden Knowledge Academy. We're teaching people how to do that in the academy. We want people to start really unanalyzing themselves and doing a lot of self-improvement work. >> Have you ever had any transcendent experiences? >> Yeah. Well, I died uh in the hospital last year. That was a transcendent out of your ass. I mean, that was >> last year. >> I was gone. >> Yeah. Last September. Last September. Uh I was uh in Turkey. I came out with a severe case of pneumonia. I thought I finally got this CO thing. I was like, I finally got it cuz I hadn't gotten it yet, right? I said, "Okay, well, I'm going to embrace it now." You know, whatever. I was bragging not getting it. I finally got it. And then it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. And I was having cold sweats and the worst pain I ever had in my life. Um, I started getting this groggling noise every time I would breathe. And I just kept thinking, man, this is a really bad illness. Maybe, you know, maybe I get it looked at. Um, and it got to the point where I couldn't even walk or talk. I still finished the tour sick like that. 105 degree fever. I still gave the tour. I had people there, 40 people. They start taking me to the hospitals and stuff in the desert. Nobody even had a needle or this and that and I was like, I don't know what's going on here. Get me back to America. We flew back to Istanbul, came back to America. I remember on the plane back, I was saying one breath at a time cuz I knew if I fell asleep on the plane, I was going to die. It was 11 hours to get back. I got back um went to a urgent care around the corner from here. The lady said, "Oh, when she gasped, I said, "There's something wrong. This ain't co this is something else." She said, "You have a severe case of pneumonia. Severe. Your right lung is completely gone. All black, 100% gone. And your right lung is two loes are gone. You only have one lobe and that's got spots." She sold me the X-ray. Of course, I went to the hospital that night. The night that I went in the hospital with they put the heart monitors and everything on. They admitted me immediately. I died that night. My body went into um uh organ failure. I started shutting down. My white blood cell count trended towards 40. >> Oh, dang. >> And everything was just shutting down. And I started having this experience where I was I was moving from this dimension into this other place. >> Oh yeah. You were low oxygen, too. So, you were probably getting super lightheaded. >> I had the oxygen hoses by then though. They had me all I had the oxygen hoses on my nose and I was fighting the lady. I don't need oxygen. I was delarious. >> Yeah, right. >> You need oxygen. I was trying to pull them out of my They finally I calmed down. But so 3 or 4 hours after they took my blood and left the room is when I just transitioned out of this reality. I was in this other place. It was so incredible. The beauty, the sounds, the smells. I can see, I can hear, I can breathe, no pain. And I was above this huge forest and I can literally see something and I can think about it and I can be there instantly. It was wild. And then I opened my eyes and I came back and I was back in my body to pain and agony and everything else. >> That was it? >> No, >> that was that brief. >> No. No. Oh, >> then I went back again. >> Oh, you were back in You were back and forth. >> You were crossing back and forth. >> Yeah. The third time when I was gone these >> Were you going back to the same Did you go back to the trees? >> Same place. >> Okay. So, you'd come back to your body, take a couple of breaths, and you're back to the trees. And the second time they showed me these faces of homminids and they were moving so fast like all these homminid faces over millions and millions of years. It was like wow. It was like an explorer's paradise. I guess my mind created it or whatever or heaven created it for me. I don't know what it was, but it was mind-blowing. And the third time I came back again and I went back the third time. The third time is when it got real dicey because I was offered to stay and I don't know who or what said it. never saw a person or entity or being. I never saw an alien or anything like that. Well, you just hear this bellowing voice saying, "You can stay here or you can go back, but if you go back, it's going to be hard." And I chose to go back. And when I said that, I was back and all the bells and whistles and everything were going on. They're running in the room and, you know, trying to save my life and everything. And I was like, I really passed over. I really crossed over. That was wild. But it did something for me. I have no fear of death now. >> Yeah. What was the feeling? If you can describe it, what you said peaceful. You said there was no pain. Yeah. What else? What else was there when you were there that you can remember? >> The freshest air you can ever breathe in your life. I can't explain how you're breathing because I'm clearly with pneumonia and I mean I don't understand how it works, but I was taking deep breaths and uh it was clean. It was so pure. It was like I can't explain it. It's like the most purest, freshest clean air you can ever breathe in your life. It was like a relief to breathe like that. the sights and sounds like just pure nature sounds like if you're in a mountain area or something you hear all the animals and birds tweeting and everything else like bird song and uh the trees like making a wind it was just incredible and when that homminant thing happened it was like floating heads in front of me just going fast like just changing changing changing changing changing >> what do you mean say same >> they were showing me f I don't know I say they I don't even know what to call it >> it's like you're looking at like a screen that's flipping faces flipping faces. Yeah. >> Right. >> Be different faces are >> different types of homminids just changing as the the Neanderthal and the Dovian and human being, you know, Homo sapiens, sapien. Forget about it. There were hundreds. >> There were literally hundreds of different types of homminids, upright walking people. Now I know this for a fact. I was shown these people and how they all looked. It was so wild. It was like I felt like if I stayed there I would have been on a unlimited in infinite voyage of an of exploration. >> Did you feel like you knew all of them when you were seeing them or did it feel like you were learning them as you were seeing them? >> I felt like I was learning. I didn't know anything. >> You didn't know anything. This was like an exposure to new something new of all the different >> homies. And I didn't see any family members or relatives or hear any other voices. >> Beings at all. >> Huh? >> No other beings. >> No other beings. I saw nothing. I only got that one knowing you can stay here or you can go back and that's the only thing I ever got out of it in terms of some kind of inter conscious interaction or intellectual interaction other than that those faces flipping you know. >> Do you feel like you chose to come back or you just kind of did like your body woke up? >> I chose Yeah. I said I wanted to go back >> and you you chose not from this mind your body mind but from that mind the mind that was there >> from that mind that was there. I chose no I'm going to go back >> and that mind felt like it was functioning clearer anyway. So it was a clear decision. and you're like, "No, I'm going to go back because I still have purpose there." >> Yeah. Did you have a why to go back? >> Yeah. Well, I had I had a purpose. I wanted to finish what I was doing here. >> Okay. >> You know, and at the time I was married. I'm not married now, but at the time I was married and I hadn't even reached a year anniversary yet. >> Yeah. >> And I was like, let me let me try to at least get to a year, you know. >> Yeah. >> And let me finish the work I'm doing here. >> And they said it was going to be hard. And I thought it would be hard. The hard part would be to overcome the pneumonia. But that wasn't the hard part. >> That was the easy part. Now, it took some time. Obviously, you know, pneumonia is not a thing to play with. But the hard part was I fell into a lot of situations that were occurring within my relationship, within the business, within just everything, you know. I had to cancel a lot of uh tours. I had to cancel Amsterdam, which was sold out. I had to cancel two tours in England uh and um the UK. I had to cancel another tour. I lost like $1.3 million in just a few short months. Then they had the online onslaught of attack which was like, you know, just crazy. The death threats and everything else from that smear campaign. There was a lot going on all at once. It's like, holy crap, this is the hard part that they were telling me about. It wasn't learning how to breathe again. That that was easy. This was it. They told me it was going to be hard and it was they were right, you know. So, uh, it was a battle, man. was a battle that would have crushed an average person. If I was not super human, this is why I wear the Batman. Crushed. I mean, crushed. If this would crush people, what I went through and shut in that short period of time, >> this is a year ago, >> they would jump off of a building, man. >> They take some pills. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's funny. I used to have a boss. It's actually a guy I don't respect very much as a human being, but he used to say, "Hard things come in threes. So be good at four things at all times because when three go down, make sure you got if if it's if it's like, >> you know, ski ball or something, have something you're going to be good at just to go do it when everything else is falling apart. >> Yeah, I agree. That's I'm using that. That's I'm going to apply. I'm going to apply that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Keep something in the in the back pocket just in case. >> Yeah. >> Um I want to switch gears a little bit. I I You got to go on Rogan. I'd love to know, you know, what did you think about that now? It's been a few years. I'm sure you watch a few episodes of other people on there. >> It's been about a year. >> Yeah. What do you What was your experience like going on Rogan? >> It was good. I wanted to balance myself. I didn't want to get too crazy cuz I heard sometimes he won't air um you know, it's been a few times he wouldn't air the podcast. >> Yeah. Some missing. >> Malcolm Bendo we heard about. He didn't air. Yeah. We've heard some missing episodes that don't get aired. >> So, I didn't want to go on there and um and overdo it or underdo it. I wanted to be balanced. Um you know, it was cool guy. He seemed like a okay guy. Walked in. He greeted me very nicely, you know, set me up nice, had me got very comfortable in there. >> Did you have interactions with him before at all or is it like your first moment chatting with him is kind of when they hit go? >> First moment. >> Soon as I walked in, I was sitting there waiting for him. He came in eventually meet and greet, shake hands. Hey man, looking forward to it. Use the bathroom together, you know, you know, separate stalls. >> No, did he? And um we went to the >> A new idiom has has arisen. >> Uh and uh we went into the studio, you know, and uh he just kind of ease us right into the conversation. >> He's very well versed in a lot of this ancient stuff and the Anunnaki stuff, which I knew that already. >> Well, and he's talked to like 2,000 people. Yeah. >> And so he's he is one of the most amazing perspectives, I think, just by virtue of talking to so many people for so many years. >> Absolutely. No doubt. He's got a great perspective on a lot of stuff and he's got enough that he can add to the conversation too and you know um I thought it was a very balanced conversation. Uh he I said some things on it I hadn't said in any other podcast before which was pretty cool like talking about the planet series ce the planet after Mars and what it you know the fresh water on there and the lights that were on and everything else which he was looking up in real time. Everything I did he was looking up in real time you know so which was pretty cool and uh I thought it was a great opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. >> Jamie's on it. >> Yeah he's on it. So, I thought it was a great opportunity. Um, I, you know, I really would have loved to go to gone a little bit deeper in some more stuff, but you know, you balance, >> you know, maybe I'll get invited back. Maybe I'll get a chance to talk about some other stuff, you know. So, yeah. >> Yeah. What are some new things that you would like to talk like? What are some things that you're hot on right now that you would like to spread the word about if you if you're able to go back on Rogan right now? >> The underground chambers at Giza. >> Uh, it's hot right now. >> Like, uh, Filipo Beyond, like the the >> the columns, the SARS project, Cafrey Project. >> Caffrey project. >> That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Um I met with him and his partners, his team in um >> where was I? North Carolina uh just uh a month ago, I think it was about months ago. Are you guys rad? Yeah. Yeah, of course. That's where I met you guys. They want to talk about Yeah. So, Armando and Filipe Filippo Beyond I I saw them when I met you guys at the Cosmic Summit thankfully. Great. Thank shout out to those guys who invite me to the Cosmic Summit. >> George Howard. Yeah, George. >> Appreciate George, man. George is amazing. Um, and so I got a chance to go out there and you know I had already done podcast that went viral about the topic and I wrote a book called the compendium of the emerald tablets 5 and a half years ago. It's been a bestseller for five and a half years on Amazon and uh it's beats Graham Hancock like 90% of the time at the number one spot. Not that there's anything no competition here. I'm just saying like he's a real like this guy is like global, you know, and I'm on my way up. Yeah. And so when I saw that, I was like, "This book's ahead of Graham Hancock." I was amazed. So it's not anything against him. It's just like, "Wow, this is great powerful." Cuz my book was like $28 and his was like 14 or something. So it's hard to sell a higher book and be number one still. >> So nothing against Graham Hancock. I was just honored to be to be in the vicinity. >> He's awesome. >> You know, just to be in the vicinity. >> Agreed. Um, and in the book on page 34, I wrote about the underground area beneath Giza based on my own research into the Emerald Tabs and other ancient texts and also some firsthand accounts from like Herodotus and others. And I show a rendering that I put in the book five and a half years ago, these columns going down beneath the earth. And I say they go on for miles and people said, "Man, this is fake. This is all bubble." You know, a lot of people bought the book obviously, but the haters, you know how they are. After this thing came out, they were like, "Uhoh." Um Billy was on the right side of history on this one again. Yeah, those columns are really there. They go down for miles beneath the Giza and they use an incredible synthetic aperture radar, not your basic one, but they modified it slightly to uh I think 10 GHz bandwidth which allowed them to pick up the minute vibrations in the earth to create to send it to a computer to create the imagery of what empty space is and what's not empty space so we can see what's down there. And like we saw at the summit, they have been doing these scans on all types of structures to test this over and over again and all the time it was accurate. So I was glad to see that at the summit. Um but their work is second to none. And and and so I open up my messenger which I rarely open and there's a a message from Armando May. He's writing another book. I have his book here that had just bought it and he tells me he would be honored to have me write the forward for his new book. That's awesome. >> Wow. This guy's got around all these famous people, all these archaeologists, anthropologists, I mean, you know, geologists, I mean, you name it. Top scientists in the world, and he contacts me. They really resonate with the Emerald Tablets. And in their interviews, they've talked about this information being in alignment, the the the the underground structure being in alignment with the time frame of the Emerald Tablets. And that's what his book is about as well. and they know that I'm the Emerald Tablet guy basically, you know, and um so that resonated with him. And I'm working on a huge project right now. I can't tell you the name of the project, but it's an ancient civilizations project. I can say that. And it's going to be on a massive streaming network. And um with Brad Olsson's working with me on it, we're both going to be the co-host of this show. And what we're going to do is we're going to get Fippo and and uh Armando to position these satellites over places. and we're going to get some scans and add some more data. So, we're looking forward to collaborating with them as well. >> Which which places if you could scan anywhere on Earth right now, where would you scan? Yeah. >> Straight to Antarctica. >> Yes. Right. >> Straight to Antarctica where they have the bases where they have the government bases there. >> Every government in the world's got a base and then except for the Rockefeller base is there, right? >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. There's one one base is Rockefeller Foundation and the rest are all governments. And there's this 30 meter opening uh 30 m 30 meter wide opening in the ice right there where they've been doing research. And uh when Buzz Aldrin went down there a few years back, he made a cryptic tweet. He said that we're facing these people with the people here. We're facing the ultimate evil or something to that effect. And he tweeted that out and it went viral and then somebody behind him came back and deleted it like I don't know a day later but it was too late. Everybody had screenshotted it and you can pull it up online. But but what was he trying to say? What was he who would people >> It reminds me of Admiral Bird who went down and I know that that's that's a that's a like a trip that's sort of all in lore. People, you know, code it with lore at this point, but he is on YouTube. You can watch him talking about it. And he says the next if there's another war, it's going to be fought over Antarctica because the resources are too great. And the interviewers, I think I think the the one that's on YouTube is from like the 70s or something. >> He says, you know, I can't tell you everything, but obviously there's like uranium and some minerals that we know about. There's other stuff. It's strange like why why can't people talk about it? >> I know I he said that we we're we have a new enemy. One that can fly from pole to pole with great speed. >> So whatever's going on down there now these pyramids are coming up from under the ice. We know that there's an Atlantean remnant of an Atlantean civilization still down there right now that's probably very well preserved. >> Are they how Okay, so if there's an Atlantean wellpreserved civilization, they're probably living under the ice, I would guess, somewhere. Or maybe >> well the ice came after. >> So Antarctica moved into that position during a pole shift of the crust. >> The tectonic plates slipped and that land mass shifted at a very high rate of speed into that location creating a global flood. Number one, because displacement of water, the mass displacement. Second of all, the water rushing over the land in that cold region created the flash freezing. And we know this because animals are being thought out now. And when they slice them open to do autopsies, they have undigested food in their stomachs. >> Oh, was a flash freezing. >> Flash frozen. >> Yeah, I'd heard that. >> Yeah. So, that whole area was preserved because it was flash frozen. >> That's wild. >> That's why we got to find out what's down there. >> So, the Atlanteanss that are alive, I I mean, this is all this is all, you know, we don't know this. We haven't >> talked to any We don't have one to bring on camera yet, unfortunately. >> Not yet. >> Let me call one right quick. >> We do. Austin.com and you stop by the crib right quick, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is all, you know, this is just fun. We're talking for fun. This is fun speculation. But what what are they what would they look like? Would they be like the Nordics? Would they be like humanoids or >> That's a great question. When you read these ancient texts, I see I believe all these beings from the ancient texts were these these Anunnaki or the Anuna? They have different names. These were the Anunnaki. These were the Atlanteanss. They built the the Anunnaki people or the Anuna, which is the older name for them, built the Atlantis civilization on Earth. I believe that they were the ones that built the civilization. So they they were Atlantises. Now the Atlantis one that sunk in the ocean, you know, the whole story, the lore about that, that was just one capital of dozens that existed on planet Earth. The whole United States, the whole of, you know, Africa and Soviet Union and the Americas, you know, wherever you go is Atlantis. Uh we're standing on top of it. We're sitting on top of it right now. And so they were responsible for building they were the master architects of the Atlantan civilization in my personal opinion >> that would include like the Lamarans and would that >> Lur was prior to Atlantanss. >> Okay. >> And that's what I get from the Aboriginal elders. So I go I talk with them. I even own a podcast with an Aboriginal elder of all the verbal handed down histories. Lamuria predated the arrival of these Anunnaki beings, these other people. Um and that civilization rose to a very high spiritual civilization. Spiritual and technological like a combination of the two before its collapse. But uh Lamoria and Moo that was preunnaki. Anunnaki came and when we were in a fallen state cuz we had previous high civilizations ourselves they took advantage of us masqueraded as gods because when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced civilization we deify them. That's what happened. We're a cargo cult. That's all we are is a giant cargo cult. >> They took advantage of that. cargo cult. >> Oh, okay. >> Like when the cargo planes would show up and people would start worshiping it. >> That's where it comes from. Yeah. >> Got it. >> Yeah. In South Pacific during the times when they were working on dropping some nukes to see if they can blow up an island and and blow up the ocean. >> Exactly. >> The islanders like they're gods. >> Yeah. >> They brought us cans of spam. >> Yeah. And I think like the next time they flew back, they would have made little model planes. >> They had model planes, model guns out of tree reads and sticks. They tattooed USA on their chest. >> Yeah. And they made a fake runway and they would look up at the sky for hours waiting for the sky gods to return. >> Whoa. That's what mankind is. We're a giant cargo cult. >> We're just that with extra steps right now, I think. >> Yeah. It's like we have a worship gene almost. We do have a worship. >> It's like people want to fill a hole in their heart with a, you know, >> there was a scientist doing an experiment on the worship gene. Two scientists. One did it with magnetics. We put a magnetic cap on this woman's head and when he activated it, she was able to have a spiritual experience. She was kind of not a not a spiritual person at all. She had a spiritual experience through magnetism >> like TMS, transranial magnetic stimulation. TMS. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yes. Exactly. And then there was another one who was researching their genome and realized that there's a gene in there that if it's on, you want to worship something on the outside of you. When it's turned off, you look inside. >> So, we've been programmed to want poly tricksters. We've been programmed to want deities to pray to. We've been programmed to want leaders. and lead me, lead me, take me here, take you run everything for for me. >> So if we can switch our epigenetics to turn that off instead of on, then we look internal instead of external. >> Exactly. Yeah. We'll realize the power is within us, not on the outside of us. The whole universe is inside of us. As within so without hermetic principles. Yeah. >> That's interesting. When the after David Fraver came out, that was for me the first time I ever thought like there might be more than what I knew about. You know, I was just a stupid human and I thought I knew everything and then I real I was like this this is a real pilot and he's talking about it. So I actually started going to South America. I went to Guatemala and I was living there for a while talking to some sort of like Mayan descendants and they gave me the Popo Vu and they were like this is kind of our origin story and I read that they had created one version of man if I recall it correctly. One version of man that wouldn't that was very very good body. It was very good worker but it wouldn't worship the gods. They're like this won't do. So they destroyed it and then they created another one. I I think the first one was out of mud or something and the body dissolved. Then they created the good one >> and it wouldn't worship him and then they created us. >> Yeah. And it's like it says in in the Mayan in that version of the because Mayan is a big term, right? It includes tons of people groups. But that people group there in Guatemala was telling me like we are supposed to worship. We were literally designed by somebody to do that. >> Well, and one of the things that I think is interesting there is when you study these ancient uh languages, they're actually pretty low fidelity. Uh so when they say something like mud, like you actually find out there's only like 10,000 words and in English we have 150,000 words. And so if that's true and they only have 10,000 words to describe something, they'll say, "Oh, they came from mud." And so we would look at that and go, "Well, if they meant it was genetic engineering, they would have said genetic engineering instead of mud." But if they don't have the word for genetic engineering, they're just going to describe mud. So we have to hear some of these old stories and go, this is a lowfidelity way of describing what's happening. And how do we use English which is why English has taken over all over the world is because we have prefixes and postfixes and you can you can create new words. It's such a dynamic language and it absorbs other languages. It's actually a technology. English is a better technology than a lot of other languages because of these things. And so we want to take that technology and overlay it on their stories and go, "Wow, how can we reinterpret this in a higher fidelity way?" And so they're just describing genetic engineering. Yeah, they made one, they didn't like it, they made another and they're they're they're modifying genes. >> That's it. And the same story is in the enumish and the epic of Atraasis as well and the Samrian tablets, both Babylonian and Cadian versions. Same story. They started making these people. They couldn't get them to worship. They also couldn't get them to replicate. They were making them clone through a cloning technique, which I show people the cloning technique on the hieroglyphs when we take them to Egypt. We take them to the temples to show the actual cloning recipe, how they did it and how the second how the clone of the person comes out. It's all in the glyphs and um but you know if you take a tiger and a lion and make them together you know they have a ligon or a taigon but that ligon or chaon can't give birth to anything. >> It's like a mule. Yeah. Like a mule in a horse. Yeah. >> So that was the big thing. So they had these birthing houses the half birthing houses uh through all throughout Egypt. We take people to them and that was that's where they were producing these clone people. We would call those laboratories these days. >> Yeah. Laborator. Exactly. Laboratories. Exactly. And they couldn't uh keep up with the the duplication process and they because they think they couldn't replicate. They were unruly. They didn't want to listen. They didn't want to worship. So they went back to the drawing board. Same thing at the Pope Vu. >> Yeah. >> And then ISIS says, "I will I will give birth. I will uh I will hold the baby." So they took a egg out of one of the existing homminids. They added their essence to it. Now we're talking about making a zygote in modern terms. Inserted in her womb. >> Hybrid. >> Hybrid. Now she she she uh was in gestation for 10 months, not nine. And then she's holding up in the tablet. She's holding up on the cylinder scroll. She's holding the baby up. I my hands have made it the first Adamu, which means first man, >> Adam. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Adamu. >> This is where we get the beginning of Genesis. Genis. Generations of Isis. the generations of Isis in the Old Testament. Genesis is the generations of Isis. >> Isis was a god, right? >> Yes. One of the Anunnaki gods. >> Anunnaki gods. Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's where it comes from. Genis. It's Genesis. She's the one who gave the Adamu and then they replicated. Okay. Now, we got one. Let's make more. >> Do you think that uh do you think that maybe they downgraded us from telepathy down to languages? Oh, yes. And it's a little bit of the Tower of Babel story where they kind of said because we've talked about this before where you have these gods and they're saying they're building a tower and if they do they'll become like us and and if you we really take them at their word, let's say that literally happened then a gods are not going to be scared that these guys are piling bricks of clay on top of each other. They don't they don't care about the height of a tower. It doesn't seem like and so I'm like well what were they building or what was going on? And I think they had to scatter their language and to me that means oh they went from telepathy where we all know everything about all the time we operate as a hive mind. Let's introduce verbal language and that could even be a genetic engineering project in itself turning off maybe turning off the gene which is why some people have telepathy or it's stronger in some people than others and then introducing this language. >> Oh I agree with you 100%. They literally reprogrammed us. I believe that they shrunk our pineal glands which is our spiritual antenna. They took away a lot of our incredible gifts that we were born with back then. Telepathy, telekinesis, uh you know higher levels of empathy and um intuition, higher levels of intuition, all those things, the ability to communicate like you say like a hive mind. All of that was take we had to have a hive mind to hunt. You can't hey run around the backside. The the the the mammoth is going to hear you. You know, it was all done psychically >> and then they disconnected our DNA. Now we have junk DNA which is not junk. And scientists are finally starting to admit that that DNA had function and still has some kind of function in the body. They just can't identify specifically what it is. So it's not junk. It's disconnected nodes in the body. >> It's just code we don't know how to run yet. >> Exactly. They've disconnected us from our own coding, our own connections in the body. And that's given us uh this perception of ourselves as if we're this advanced culture when I believe that our ancestors were way more advanced than us spiritually. >> You know, have you uh watched the telepathy tapes or listen to the telepathy tapes podcast? >> No. It came out last December and it was one of the it was the top podcast uh on Spotify, Beat Rogan for like eight weeks straight and it's a 10-part episode where uh Kai Dickens, she's the producer, she started studying uh children with uh autism, non-verbal kids with autism and she found out, and this is her claim, that 100% of kids with non-verbal autism are telepathic. >> Wow. >> And they all go and they visit this place in in this in this dimension called the Hill. And so they're finding out that there's these kids in Atlanta, one one child in Atlanta has a friend with this guy in Seattle and they already know each other's names and somehow, you know, these moms figure out that they know and then they meet and these two kids already know each other cuz they've they've they hang out at the hill all the time >> and because and so to me it's like oh like the same way when you go blind other senses come online because the brain can somehow remmanipulate its energy to I can't see anymore so let's redirect to smell and sense and all these things where if you come out non-verbal autistic, you're so severely diminished in so many physical capabilities that maybe the brain goes back to this telepathic state and it's re reforcing energy and development into that area. >> I love it. I believe it. There's a scene there's a there's a series of scenes uh in a TV show that came out a while back called u um it's a Star Trek series um not Generations but uh Voyager Star Trek Voyager and the Borg they must have taken it from that concept because the Borg all of a sudden started traveling to a special place no matter where they were in the entire universe. >> Yep. They all travel to this one place to meet up telepathically and greet each other and have fun and picnics and and hang out and go on dates and everything else and then they come back into their Borg aloves and wake up and become a drone again. >> Yeah, very similar. >> Yeah, I even saw this one YouTube video of a guy. He's a very tiny channel and he's doing remote viewing. He's a remote viewer and so he saw the telepathy tape listened to the telepathy tapes and he's like I'm going to go to the hill and so he said he has this whole story of him going to the hill in a remote viewing and all the all the kids were kind of like >> hey man is you good like kind of like >> why are you here? >> Why are you here? And they weren't aggressive >> but they could sense that he was doing it for YouTube which has like an external motivation. They could sense his intentions >> and they he says they actually came and carried him away from the hill >> and they brought him to a separate part where he's like I could see it over there but they wouldn't let me in just cuz it I wasn't pure in my intention >> and I and I didn't want to lie to them. They were like why are you here and and it was kind of like I just thought it was cool. And he's like imagine a clubhouse with a bunch of kids playing and an adult comes in and they're all like you good are you here to play? And you're kind of like no I'm not here to play with you guys. I'm here to just check out what's going on. And they're kind of like that's not cool. Get out of here. Like we're having fun, you know? And so it wasn't aggressive, but we even seen these remote viewers go and visit it. >> Check this out, though. I I don't know Kai, but I think where she landed was, you don't have to be autistic to have this ability. You just have to be non-verbal. >> And you can actually just quit talking for a while and you'll develop it. >> So then there's a question for all the rest of us. I I think this might be a real question in reality that we have to face is like, are you willing to stop talking to develop telepathy? And we've done studies where you stop talking and they say if you stop talking for 30 days and you don't read any words and you don't see any words and you stop talking for 30 days, you actually stop thinking in words and all of your thoughts become im you becomes more visceral. It becomes more like you're uh I heard it described as if I say Thanksgiving, you don't think of the word Thanksgiving, you smell the smells, you see the turkey, you feel the warmth of the thing, you see the fire. Like you don't think Thanksgiving, you just feel Thanksgiving. And and they say after 30 days of no actual verbal communication or any language at all, your everything changes about your perception of the world. >> Incredible. >> I guess I guess that's the sort of thoughts we would share in telepathy. It was more I would just send you the feeling. >> You wouldn't say Thanksgiving. You would just feel Thanksgiving. >> Oh, his energy is telling me Thanksgiving. >> And you would just know, oh, we're in like and language is no longer necessary. Dude, would you be willing to stop talking for 30 days to get it? I mean, I think about this like, will I will I actually do it? >> After I achieve my ultimate goal of taking my company public and I can take about a year off, I'll try it. Yeah. When I don't have to worry about answering phone calls and going on podcast, I'd be willing to try it. >> Got to go off grid, man. >> Do it in Bali or something. Like, go >> off the grid, man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just try it. >> Do you think that What do you think of a Tartaria? Because I've seen a lot of these videos of all these honestly huge city hall buildings all over America and it's like oh they built this in 1850 when it was mud shacks everywhere huge building with perfectly cut stone that they just built as their city hall 160 years ago. Like do you think that's Atlantan? >> That's Atlantan. Dwara was Atlantan. That's under the ocean now. They just discovered that which they thought it was another one of those you know myths. It's real. All these places are real, man. They They're all here. The evidence of these ancient cultures is left right beneath our feet. And when you go to these sites, the first thing you're supposed to do is look at the base. If you look at the base, you're going to see that those stones don't match the stones that are higher up. Because why? The stones higher up have been replaced, tinkered with, tampered with, repaired. >> The base stones, the foundation stones, that's the telltale sign of how ancient these these sites are. And some of these sites could be 10, 20, 30, 40,000 years old. >> It reminds me of my house. If I get like a break in my drywall or something comes out and I fix it myself. >> It looks patched. >> Uh it looks patched because I'm not the carpenter who built it or I'm not the electrician who wired it. I'm just the guy who lives there that's like, "Ah, that doesn't look good." And I kind of just do my best. And you look at these ancient megalithic structures and you're like, "Oh, whoever built this >> was different than the person who patched it." Because if the guy who patched it built it, it would I wouldn't even tell. I couldn't even tell. It would look the same. And instead, >> yeah, they don't always tell you on tours. I've been on so many tours of places in Latin America at this point. And now I can It's so obvious. You walk up and you're like, "Oh, that's the original. That's where you guys reconstruct it." And sometimes they tell you >> and sometimes they don't. But so it's cool. Actually, you do tours, you know where the lines are. And I bet in Egypt at this point, you know where every line is. >> Oh, I know every single place. Water levels, where water levels were, when water dropped. >> Excuse me. when the water levels dropped and receded, when areas were flooded and weren't, and where repair work was done and wasn't done and and all of that. Even in Peru, >> if someone were to be thinking, if someone were to be thinking, I want to go check out a megalithic structure, what would your be your recommendation? >> Number one, where do they start? >> Egypt. >> Egypt. >> Yeah, you have to go there because >> every single time I go, there's always something new. >> There's so much there still being discovered on a daily basis. You're guaranteed to go back and see something new every single time. And when you go to the pyramids, the great pyramid at Giza for example, you're looking at something that and standing next to something that you can't put in words, you can't put on Google photos, you can't a photo from your phone. You have to be there to experience this. And when you go inside and we take you inside these shafts and we take you beneath the bedrock to areas that nobody gets a chance to really go to, the subterranean shafts, and you're standing 500 yards beneath a pyramid, you're like, "Wait a minute." And then you see other areas that you couldn't go to, but they're blocked. Who blocked them? And why are they blocked? Well, they connect to those other underground areas that these scientists found, right? >> You get overwhelmed with this is ridiculous. Yeah. >> How did you get access? Because you have you have keys to certain spots that not every tourist would have, right? >> I spent well, two reasons. One is I spent a lot of time going there. there. I made the right connections and I also continue to build my career in ancient civilizations and my knowledge about ancient Egypt resonates with the Egyptians at the highest level. They come up to me, the the Egyptologists from there. They run up to me for autographs and photos. Um the Board of Antiquities people, they know me very well. They've come and done speeches and lectures to my tour, which they never do. Um it's just been incredible. I was able to make the most incredible relationships there to give me the biggest amount of access that pretty much I think almost nobody has. I have the highest level I believe. >> Well, I want to ask you this question then and you feel free to just dodge it cuz I know you're friends with all these people it sounds like. >> But if like my understanding is if we did seismic tomography like we put little little sticks in the ground and we rattled some waves, we could really map out well what's underneath the pyramids. But the Egyptian government won't let us do that. >> They won't do it. >> Why not? they are being paid a lot of money from mainstream sources predominantly Rome Vatican is one of the biggest ones um and other big uh countries like America and England for whatever reason they want to keep the status quo of history they don't want the pyramid to be 40,000 years old 36,000 years old they don't want the pyramid to have these underground chambers that are un that are so incredible that they make the pyramid look like a speck of dust they don't want to break the narrative around history because the narrative narative around history that's out has been monetized and has made trillions and trillions of dollars. Grant money relies on it, donors rely on it. Um, and once the narrative changes completely like a random like really chaotic shift, all that goes away >> like 10,000 PhDs that are worthless because they did it on the old version of history. So you're saying they're getting money from Western countries. Egypt takes a lot of money from the west and also from Europe. A lot in Germany, especially Germany. They take a lot. Even China, a lot of money in a lot of money. And then unfortunately, >> um, well, I can't say it on this video because I might take away my passport, but they take a lot of money in. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Take a lot of money. >> And is it from like the Smithsonian or is it is it is it like the archaeological institutes of these countries that are doing it or is it >> Smithsonian donates, Vatican donates, China, Germany, the UK, and America? If you could go into the Vatican, what's one thing you think you might find that people wouldn't expect? >> The Emerald Tabs of Th. >> Right. >> Shoot. You think they have them? >> Oh, they have them. They have them. I talked to a nice Templar and also a 33rd degree Mason, Timothy Hogan. >> Yep. >> And he confirmed that that's where they are. He's legit. He's 100% legit. You got to get him on your podcast. >> Yeah. >> Matter of fact, I'm going on a tour to Mexico with Timothy Hogan and his team. So, his team and my team are going to collaborate and do a Mexican >> Oh, no way. I should join if you have spots open because I live in Mexico. Beautiful. >> Yeah. >> He's got the He's got my Egypt access. He has it in Mexico. >> Oh, right. >> I'm talking about climbing all the pyramids, going inside of places, the whole works where with no tourists there, >> right? >> And we got the private access just like I have in Egypt. He got the p I got the private access. He has the private access. So, we're doing a huge collaboration coming up here for next uh next summer. >> Next next fall. Next fall. >> One of the nice things about some of the ancient sites being in some of these countries is as they as we say in Mexico, money makes a dog dance. So, you can kind of get into place if you need to. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you if you got if you're willing to spend and cut down your margins, make the right connection, make sure somebody's not going to snitch you out. >> Yeah. >> You can do some incredible things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Okay. So, Egypt's number one. Egypt's the place to go. And I agree. I think I think it's overwhelming. I think you need to get to the point where you just think this is ridiculous. Like, you know what? Think whatever you think about how humans did what they did and then just go stand beside the pyramid. Yeah. >> And just go, "Yeah, all right. Yeah, we Yeah, we built this." Like, yeah. Okay. That there's this overwhelming level of ridiculousness when you go, we this is this can't be the whole story. >> No. Cuz when you stand next to the Great Pyramid, the first thing you're going to notice, if you're paying attention, is those cookie cutter stones that they told you over there, every individual stone is custom cut specifically for the location it sets in. So, it's a giant interlocking puzzle. It's not cut these two million stones this shape, and just roll them over here on tree rollers and stack them up like Legos. No, it didn't happen that way. I'm sorry. Every individual stone, no two stones are alike. Everyone's a fingerprint. So, this construction process couldn't have gone that way. They'd still be trying to build it today from back then. >> It would take forever. >> You see that in Peru as well. >> I mean, it's ridiculous. The cuts >> eight-sided stones fitting in between >> the masonry. I'm like, wait, how how >> they did it because it's easy. >> They did it because it was easy. And uh they were sending us a me twofold. One is for seismic activity. The second one is send us a message into the future. Hey um you think you know something? >> Yeah. >> Did you hear you know I heard um Robert Shock's wife uh Robert Shock famous Egyptologist and uh she was speaking at the cosmic summit and she has this theory that hasn't she said it's just a thought that she started putting together and she has all these photos and she said if you go around Egypt and I'd be curious what you think about this. You see all these mud bricks everywhere. There's mud bricks everywhere. And she said, "When I saw Gobecley and then Kiranepe both get discovered and they found out they were buried, >> intentionally buried." Yeah. She was wondering, she said, "I wonder if Egypt was actually buried with these mud bricks because why would they have mud bricks everywhere?" And she had photos of places where she was like, "They wouldn't why are mud bricks there and why?" And she said, "I actually think that it's possible that when we talk about these different >> uh Egyptian u >> dynasties, >> dynasties rulers when they say they erected this this pyramid of this pyramid, sheath's like maybe during that dynasty they uncovered that pyramid and so for each ruling emperor of Egypt that would in during his reign they took all those mud bricks down and they took all those mud bricks down. Right. >> Because she's right. >> Because maybe just as they buried Gopekite and Kerantepe because maybe some global cataclysm is coming, they were like, "We got to preserve these pyramids, too." And they buried them in mud bricks. And then for the last couple thousands of years, we've just been uncovering it, literally uncovering it by moving all these mud bricks everywhere. >> Yeah. These pharaohs were just taking claim to what already existed in most cases. >> But if they get to remove it, they get to go, "That's mine now." Exactly. The mud bricks were like the styrofoam peanuts that you pack stuff in. So someone packed all these pyramids and stuff. >> There's not only that, but there's they found from ground penetrating radar over 200 pyramids beneath the sands of Giza, >> right? >> Because they're all buried. They're buried on purpose just like go back to is buried on purpose. Just like Carrie was buried on purpose. So you have to say what was the purpose of doing that? First of all, the the logistics of burying an entire civilization. Mhm. >> It's mindboggling because for us to do that, um, that would be overwhelming even with modern technology. >> Just as I think maybe we would create robots that do that, maybe they uh created humans to do that. >> Yeah, they did it with something. >> One reason you might pack is cuz you're coming back. Do you think they're coming back? >> The the which ones? >> Who whoever built them originally? Do you think they packed them with the mud bricks because they're coming back? Was it >> Oh, they always said that they were going to come back, but they broke all the technology. So the c the the apexes of all the pyramids are always missing. >> The interior pieces like the resonating rods that went up the Grand Gallery towards the king's chamber. The slots are there but the rods are gone. What happened to the rod? >> The CPUs out of all the computers and now we got metal racks everywhere but like not the actual guts that make it run. >> So they broke the technology everywhere. You know the Niles move meandered away. It's all dried out. There's no more running water underneath the aquifer underneath the pyramid. So no more physio physio electricity. All these things were done in a way to break the technology when they bailed out of here. >> It's like winterizing your house. >> So you don't think they're coming back necessarily? >> They said that they're come they will return at some point in the future. >> Okay. >> I believe that the Black Knight satellite which I did a documentary on called Black Knight satellite untold truth uh which award-winning documentary. I believe that they own that. It's It's if I recall, it's like the only satellite or art. It It looks unartificial. Maybe artificial object that goes north to south, rotates north to south around. >> That's right. It's in a polar orbit. >> Yeah. >> And it made Time magazine in 1960. >> Yeah. >> And an astronomer. Strange. >> Very strange. We couldn't do that back then. No. Yeah. >> And an astronomer um uh he decoded the signal coming from it and it gave him the the the coordinates to the bulletus constellation or where where where you have the epsilon star there botus constellation. When I looked into that for this documentary I said let me go to the ancient text because they all owned planets moons stars. I said who is attributed to the ownership of Buus? Enlil. So, Enlo from the ancient Samrian tablets owns the Boatus constellation. These people own moons and planets and everything else. So, it was my natural instinct to just go look and see. And it was Enlil. Now, what was Enlil known to have in these tablets? An allseeing eye where he can see what was going on on any place on the planet. Population densities, crops, harvest times. How is he seeing this? We would need a satellite orbiting in a polar orbit to see these things right now. >> It's so obvious when you realize they don't have the word satellite and they have to describe it on tablets and they just go, "Oh, it's an allseeing eye." And you're like, >> "That's a satellite. That's a network of information technology that is monitoring everything everywhere, but you don't have any of those words." So, you just say it's an eye that sees everywhere, >> right? And I believe it's still transmitting information back to Boatus because it I believe it's using something called quantum entanglement. So the information that it's as it scans earth >> sending it real time data back through quantum entanglement back to the source >> Mokaku was on a you know an interview in the news and he was talking about the fact that the botus has this void in it. It's called the bulletus void. It's the largest known void in the entire universe from what we can see so far. They said there's not even space dust in this void. And he says for him and his peers it looks like a cloaked advanced civilization. His exact words. And then you have the signal going back there. You have the black knight satellite orbiting in the polar orbit which we couldn't do. >> And Lil the allseeing eye. >> They laid down fiber, you know. >> That's how you do it. It's the interplanetary fiber. >> Yeah. >> Well, it looks like our time's wrapping up. Billy, thanks for hanging out with us, man. >> Thank you, man. Appreciate it. This has been so fun. It's been really fun. >> Yeah. Thanks for sharing about where you came from and, you know, and your thoughts. I think I I love what you're that you're on the edge. I love that your mentality is to keep going and to take action on things and, >> you know, I really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. >> Appreciate y'all, man. Thank you. >> Yeah. All right. >> All right. Cool. >> That's a wrap. That's a wrap. Cool. All right. Beautiful, man. Thank Thank you. That was awesome.