Ep 4 | The Jason Shurka Show with Dr. Steven Greer

[Music] Subscribe. What if I told you that extra terrestrial life is not actually here to hurt anybody, but on the contrary, they're here to help us, to liberate us. And what if I told you that if enough people understood that, the world could change overnight? Suppressed technology would no longer be suppressed. and we would have the ability to truly live a life of harmony, peace, and unity beyond just the human race. Dr. Steven Greer is a retired emergency doctor and researcher of all things UFO, what they now call UAP, and extraterrestrial life. He's produced films like Unagnowledged, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, The Cosmic Hoax. He's briefed every president since Clinton on the subject of UFOs. And he's even been offered $2 billion to keep his mouth shut. And the question is why? What does he know that they don't want the world to know? What's really going on? And today we get to find out. I bring to you Dr. Steven Greer uncensored. Dr. Stephven Greer, thank you so much for being here. We have a lot to speak about today, anywhere from who you are and how you really got to where you are today because you have tons of experience all the way to topics like suppressed technology, the true intentions of extraterrestrial life, what really happened on the moon, and anything else you choose to share. So before we dive in today, I want to just tell everybody that we will be speaking about a very important event that's happening in June in just a few weeks from now of this year. So make sure to stick around until the end of this interview to hear all about that event that Dr. Greer is going to be speaking at and leading. So with that, let's dive right in. Again, Dr. Greer, thank you so much for being here and thank you for your time. Thank you for having me. very happy to meet you and be part of the program and share what we know with your uh viewers. Absolutely. So, why don't we start with some background? Many people know you, some people don't. Let's start from the beginning of who you are. You were an emergency medical doctor and today you're a researcher, a researcher that covers topics on UFOs, UAPs, extraterrestrial life. How did you evolve from that into what you're doing today? What's your story? Well, the real story is I had a sighting of one of these UFOs when I was eight eight or nine. Uh it was 1963 thereabouts in uh North Carolina and a group of kids and I and my twin sister uh crystal clear sky saw this perfectly seamless silver disc in the sky and we knew what we had seen. Of course, our parents thought we lost their minds. And uh you know, I always tell parents, you should believe your children more when they share something like this. And uh good advice. I have four daughters and 12 grandchildren now. So you listen to them. The children know a lot. But we, you know, knew what we had seen and it ignited a lifelong interest in this on my part. In fact, I I began to collect everything I could and as a young boy on this subject and fascinated and I sort of forgot about it as I went into adolescence. Uh then in 1973 um I was uh had an experience where I had a full-on contact experience with one of these objects. It's what we call now C5 contact event. It was up in the mountains of North Carolina and it was an unmistakable uh event. I mean like close on with the craft and the extraterrestrial being. So this you know I I thought well this is interesting. So I started a project uh using what the CIA would call remote viewing but using consciousness to see remote places and then engage in a contact protocol which we call C5 contact. And there's an app you can get that trains you in all this. Yep. But to make a very long story short, um that was something I just did and didn't do anything with it until 1990. And I started a formal organization for that. And in 1990, by 1992, we were on a beach in Florida near uh Pensacola and we were doing this protocol and we had some Air Force colonels with us and pilots and all kinds of people. And we had four four of these objects appear in the sky. Uh and it was a very close encounter. Uh that was also physical in the sense that there was effects on equipment we had and what have you. It got photographed and it ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper. uh and the head of director of army intelligence and some other people reach out to me who basically said what do you think you're doing I said well we know these objects are real we know that they are not hostile we are a ambassador group in a sense citizen ambassadors is like physicians for social responsibility went over to the Soviet Union in the dark days of the cold war doctors would go over to sort of create a dant and a dialogue So I said this is what we're doing and we're doing it as volunteer civilians. Well, they were not happy with this and of course I was threatened. Uh but eventually there were people who found out about it in senior ranks of government by the time Bill Clinton was president u in 93 when he was sworn in. Uh his folks approached me and I was asked in December 1993 to brief the director of the CIA. And the reason that meeting took place, which gets to a big punchline, is that the president uh and his senior national security team were denied access to information on this, which of course in and of itself is a shocking statement. Uh it is not a conspiracy theory. It's just a fact that quite frankly the president doesn't have quote a high enough clearance. Uh George HW Bush actually then told Clinton, "You are not to look into this and this is none of your business as president." Quote unquote. So this of course caused significant conernnation. Yeah. In uh the White House and in at those circles. And so when I briefed the director of the CIA initially, to be honest, when I got the invitation, I got a FedEx letter and I thought, "This is nonsense. this guy's got to be read in. And read in means briefed on this. He's the CI director. Um, and I didn't believe it. I actually thought they were just trying to pick my brain because I also had connections in the aerospace industry and in the intelligence community who were working this subject. Uh, my my uncle designed the lunar module that put the first man on the moon, worked on that, put the first man on the moon. And so I said, "Look, you know, I I find it very hard to believe, you know, I was very skeptical as a young doctor. I'm an emergency doctor that the director of the CIA that you and the president would not be read in or briefed on this." They said, "No, we're absolutely on the opposite. We have been told and threatened not to look into it." So that's when my life sort of changed because this is I mean if you think the gravity of that you're talking about operations that have used trillions of dollars in taxpayer money that has become an illegal unsanctioned uh black project uh so much so that presidents and senior members of the congress are denied access and and in times of threatened. But when I realized that was the case, of course it it sort of turned my whole paradigm upside down about how our country worked, how the world worked and what is behind this. Of course, so the very first question from the CI director after some introductions were we I know this is true. They knew that the UFOs were real. They knew that some of them were extraterrestrial. What he didn't know is that most of them that people see are ours. And that the big secret here is that the man-made ones and October 1954 uh from my uh folks at the Naval Research Labs who have been in the vault and seen the documentation is when we mastered quote unquote gravity control electrogravitic very high voltage systems electromagnetic field propulsion so things can float and go up and down. Now that was a result of research that started in the 20s and then was potentiated further by our studying extraterrestrial vehicles that we downed and then studied starting in the 40s and 50s. So they they didn't realize that and I said look the secret here is a two the two big pillars of the secrecy on this issue are number one it's a science and technology story but I I tell everyone go look at that what they call the tic tac that you know has been all on 60 Minutes and CBS and CNN and our Navy jet Hornet F-18 guys and I've spoken to David Fraver the pilot chasing that thing look at it there's no jets There are no rockets. There's no heat signature. So, there's certainly no nuclear power plant on board. Uh those are hot. Uh now, what do you have then? Well, you have a device that is an alternative energy and propulsion device. And it turns out that particular object is man-made and we can prove it. The event we're going to do in June in Washington, this will be proven. Oh, wow. Stay tuned. You're saying that that was not that was not an indication of extraterrestrial life. That was something that we've created under some sort of secret programs. Why what what is the the intention then of using secret programs like that to fly over and make us think that what what does that bring us to? It's a diversion. And so what the purpose of it is is to divert people from looking into it and confusing the picture. So most people studying this and certainly the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committee members don't know that there are both extraterrestrial and the man-made ones. And the man-made ones are coming out of the Lockheed Skunk Works in the high desert of California out near Palmdale and North Grumman, my uncle's old company, Rathon and a group of other contractors. And these have been studied and worked on for now 75 years. Uh what the public needs to realize what's at stake here and the reasons there's such extraordinary secrecy is because if that were dis was to be disclosed, you would never need to burn another drop of oil or gas or coal or nuclear power or solar panels or windmills. They're all obsolete. this very advanced physics where you're dealing with what has been quantified as the zero point or quantum vacuum energy field which we can get into. It's a bit arcane but you can visualize it all around you in space not outer space just where you're sitting. It's been estimated by physicists that the amount of space inside a coffee mug is has enough laten energy from this baseline energy field of spaceime to run the entire planet. Uh and so the problem becomes with that kind of technology, we're talking hundreds of trillions or probably more than a thousand trillion dollars in public utilities, surface roads, uh road construction, oil, gas, coal, nuclear, all of that is obsolete and has been for the better part of a century. So that's why the we're putting a feature film out on June 6 called The Lost Century and How to Reclaim It. We'll talk about this because what's at stake here is we we know we're really mucking up the biosphere and the oceans and etc and so on. But we also have huge energy needs and and we see how vulnerable we are when you have a situation like Russia and Ukraine going to war and that source gets cut off. So the problem is the policy makers, the news media and the environmental community uh are not talking about any viable solution. The windmills and solar panels will never be able to run a planet with 8 billion people. There's not enough battery storage capacity in the anyone's imagination to do it. And yet this solution exists. is in a illegally run project and held by corporate and certain highly compartmented but unsanctioned let me be clear illegal black projects that are running it and we can prove this we are going to prove this in June the reason this is so important is that the solutions everyone's looking for for the environment energy independence and all these things they exist already but there her very powerful interests you can imagine who don't want it out. So in a sense they view the solution worse than the problem uh because it would be the ultimate quote disruptive technology. Now this has been a problem for actually before the 40s and so-called Roswell. Everybody knows most people know that Nicola Tesla had some very interesting and exotic ways of getting energy from the environment. Um JP Morgan told him, "If I can't put a meter on it, it's not going to come out." Uh and we actually have a document that's going to be in this new documentary, The Lost Century, that's going to show the Department of Defense demanding that Jagger Hoover and the FBI turn over all the secret papers they seized from Nicola Tesla when he died. So this becomes then a very big story for society and the environment and policy makers in Washington, not politics per se because this is a totally nonpartisan issue um for for policy makers. And so I got involved with this once I realized and I'm getting back to the meeting with the CI director in 93 years ago in December, this coming December. He didn't understand and the president didn't understand because we subsequently put briefings together for Clinton and he was hosted at the Rockefeller ranch etc and so on which everyone has heard about. the the big issue became how do we you know how do we explain to the public that the emperor has no clothes. This became a big problem for the presidency because the president did not have control over these projects which is in itself an astounding statement but true um and provably true frankly. So then you you begin to ask the question the secrecy when I explained to Mr. Woosey the CI director is very much rooted in people wanting to maintain the status quo of the energy and petro dollar system and etc and so on. But now it's gone too far. You know it's like years ago when I was with Senator Barry Goldwater in his home he said you know he says this is a goddamn mistake then and it was a goddamn mistake now that this was ever kept secret. And yet, even though he was a presidential candidate 1964, key Republican conservative promilitary member of the Senate committees such as armed services and what have you. When he inquired about this through General Curtis Lame, he was threatened, literally threatened. And he told me this story personally while I was at his home. So what I began to uncover in the 90s, just to give you some background, was it wasn't just this president or this senator, but unless the person was part of this illegal clandestine operation, and there have been some in the White House and in Congress, no one else is told about because they're not going to be read into it, briefed. And that became a rather disturbing and astonishing development. So, we first ran this up the flag pole with the White House. Clinton's people came back to me and said, "Too dangerous. He's not going to touch it." So, we then started approaching members of Congress. So, for example, I I had a briefing, a long meeting with Senator uh Dick Bryan of Nevada, ironically, where Area 51 is. Uh, and he was Senate intelligence and he told me that they haven't told us anything about this as a he was a ranking member. And so I went through the whole system and then I went overseas, the United Kingdom, other countries, Canada, and I found that this was replicated. This sort of illegally run covert operation is replicated all over the world, not just United States. The crown jewel of course is the US because we have the biggest economy and the highest tech and the biggest military and intelligence budget from which you can siphon off and embezzle enough money to run these projects. that's what's going on. But when that came to to light and and then the CI director said, "Well, now this makes sense." The same thing was said to me by the Minister of Defense of of Canada, Paul Helier, when I was getting him informed on this. He had left office the whole time he was mod head. He said, "They don't tell me anything. I don't know anything about it." And they never did. He was with the first Trudeau ages ago. And but this is a story that I have been able to document all over the world. Minister of defense of Australia, same thing. Minister of defense of the United Kingdom, same thing. Now there's huge interests and they hear little snippets here and there, but they don't control any of it. And I think that the organization that does magic a majic majority intelligence committee that organization is very much wanting to keep it under wraps for another reason and that is there has been a long-term defense plan 70 years plus that Carol Rosen saw and she she was one of our we started the disclosure project to bring people like her forward. She was Verer von Brown, the guy who invented the rock at Fredolf Hitler's uh right-hand spokesperson for the last four or five years of his life. And he told her, "Look, we have these objects, but what they're planning to do with it is eventually use them in a false flag deceptive operation to convince the world that there is an alien threat so the world can be united around a military sort of totalitarian effort. I can tell your viewers we are one step away from that right now. That has picked up pace dramatically and it's a very dangerous time which is why we're doing this event in in Washington in June. But in the meanwhile, we've worked this system now for 30 years. Uh we have about 750 top secret whistleblowers from corporations, secret military operations, Pentagon, CIA, etc. Most of them are US. There are a few that are from UK and Canada. So this has been something we've been assembling. Uh the first sort of volley and trunch of these were in 2001. and your viewers can look up the National Press Club event for the disclosure project there and it's up on my YouTube channel and what have you. But uh that has continued and and has accelerated rapidly in the last couple of years since the Congress passed the law and the people who wrote this for the senators. I know them. Um which requires the government to report on UFOs or UAPs or whatever the fake name is they're using. Dejour. I mean they just make up fake names by the way. Uh they're not unidentified. They're not unexplained aerial phenomenon. A you that's a bully. That's a lightning ball or something, you know. Uh they are explained and they're not just aerial and it's not a phenomenon. It's not a natural phenomenon. You're saying that a large intention over here up until now and still currently is pretty much make the public think that there is a military threat. make the public think that there's a threat to national security both in the US and beyond to the world as a whole to pretty much keep us away from the very technology that would make them go broke and lose power but would change the world for the better overnight. We'd have an entirely new well in 10 or 20 year that that in a nutshell in 10 or 20 years think of this we would have a completely new civilization with no pollution and no poverty globally. That's the power of what these new technologies would bring us. But at the same time, while that would be great for 99 whatever percent of humanity, it'd be catastrophic for huge stakeholders who hold multiundred trillion dollar asset bases uh in these particular industries and commodities and and it let's call them early industrial technologies, the internal combustion engine, jets, power plants, coal, nuclear, all that. Uh so th this is a massive uh macroeconomic and geopolitical problem but it's rooted now in in furtherance of keeping this deception going. They fake all kinds of nonsense. So I'd say 90 plus% of everything you see on the UFO issue uh if you just sort of Google the subject is I hate to say this just completely rubbish pulled out of thin air or deliberately placed false disinformation. Um and there are masters of disinformation running them up right now spreading this sort of um sort of misdirects to the public and to the media and unfortunately to the White House and the Congress. My group is trying to correct that and we are correcting it but it's a it's a very uphill struggle because we're obviously on the side of this being disclosed uh moreover of it being demilitarized and that there being a um scientific and diplomatic approach to these extraterrestrial visitors which are undoubtedly many of them are and we have also from running our own ambassador team around the world now consisting of about few million people doing this C5 contact. Yes, we have discovered that none of them are hostile, but the way they're portrayed in the media and the UFO culture and on the internet and uh everywhere in Hollywood is that they know they're here as a threat. Interestingly, I always hope people don't take my word for it. Uh we have a letter written from the one of the early directors of the CIA when burned the very first ones. CIA was formed in 1947. There was one director for a couple months and then there was this other one uh Admiral Rosco Hillinger and he wrote to the New York Times after Ken after Eisenhower gave his speech beware of the military-industrial complex. And the reason he gave that speech is because he had been betrayed by this illegal group of sociopaths. And the the CI director said, and I quote, "The secrecy surrounding UFOs is a threat to the national security." He did not say the UFOs were. The secrecy is a threat. So the only true part of why many people are saying in the media about it being a national security threat is that the threat is not offplanet. It's a unchecked very powerful organization with technologies that are thousands of years beyond a B2 stealth fighter that have the intent to present a false alien threat that does not exist and by doing so could manipulate world affairs. I got to ask you a question on that topic where you're stating a very big claim that I happen to agree with where you're you're stating very clearly these entities these beings are not hostile. We have not seen them to be hostile. They're here for good purpose. They're not here to hurt and they're not here to take over or kill you and be evil. Anytime I share that and my logic is very simple without all the experiences that you've had because you have a lot. My logic is if they have the technology to surpass and defy the laws of physics that means that they have to have some sort of spiritual orientation to their understanding and awareness. Otherwise, they wouldn't have reached that. And if they've reached that level of technology and haven't wiped themselves out, then they must be positively polarized as opposed to negatively polarized. What's your response to the individuals who say, "Well, what about the reptilians?" It's the biggest one that I get all the time. Well, of course, I mean, there's a lot of mythology about all of this. The grays reptilians is all is actually interstellar racism. The truth is, and and aware these folks are correct. And this is what I'm about to say very disturbing. We have acquired documentation and firsthand military whistleblower testimony of a clandestine project that simulates alien encounters by engaging in abductions, mutilations, and really scary events. Now, this is weirder and crazier than science fiction. It is true. Uh I will remind people that one of the preeminent people in this field back in the in that was actually featured in close encounters of the third kind by Stephen Spielberg is Jacqu Dele and he wrote in his book in 1992 that he has a document he puts an entry a log entry of this where he has a CIA document uh not declassified that explains and describes the program the CIA had in Brazil and Argentina abducting people in in various parts of those countries for their quote psychological warfare value uh uh and simulating alien attacks and and abductions. So you have to be very careful at what's out there because what's called stage craft in the intelligence community, the ability to stage an event like this, you're dealing with the following technologies that have been studied and reverse engineered from extraterrestrial vehicles combined with certain kinds of electronics. Everybody's heard of directional energy weapons and the Havana syndrome, but much more advanced. a certain chemical substances and craft that look absolutely like an an alien or an ET craft, but they're man-made. Those have been deployed and have victimized people. So, I have great compassion for people who have been victimized by abductions and these sort of terrifying encounters. The problem is is that they have nothing to do with actual interstellar extraterrestrial civilizations, but it's so well done that it's convincing to the untrained observer, the casual observer. So this is another big part of the vulnerability of this secrecy that's gotten out of hand over the last 75 years since the mid-40s and that is you have folks who have this kind of technology not being overseen by the public, the media or the government who have deployed those technologies in a psychological warfare campaign. Now people say well when did this false flag start? I said 1953. I have a CIA document from uh Walder Bedell Smith, the CI director, where he describes using the UFO matter for its quote, again, it's just like the 1985 document that Jacqu Brle has for its psychological warfare value. Now, what does that mean, psychological warfare? It means the ability to in a sense propaganda and brainwash the public on a certain belief and narrative so that when they do if and when they do right now it's not if it's when unless we do an intervention officially from the US government stage a hoax attack on the planet using man-made UFOs then the public has already been triggered through this propaganda over the last 70 years, right? 53 to 2023 uh and or 80 and that what that has or 70 what that has done it has caused people to have this almost Pavlovian instant reaction to anything UFO and alien to be a threat. Uh and that was done deliberately. I mean, when Carol Rosen saw this long-term uh 70-year defense plan, it included at the very the kind of the the Trump card to be played was that threat from outer space. So the UFO research community which is unfunded, unprofessional, it's mostly hobbyists, uh have been unfortunately completely deceived as I was frankly until the early mid 90s uh that these operations were taking place. Now remember we have multiple people who have been tactically involved with that. We have this document that Jacqule possesses. we have an Air Force intelligence officer on the record and on videotape saying that they were doing these abductions. Uh and so you have to then be very careful that you don't stumble into another war based on false information. Let's not forget not that long ago we blundered into Iraq after 911 because Mr. Cheney made Colin Powell go up to the UN with vials of scaryl looking substances saying that Sodom Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he did not and he was a socialist ba'ist not religious. He did not like the fundamentalist religions people and he was not involved with 9/11. But they hoaxed all that evidence so that the United States and the coalition partners would go in and spend a couple of trillion dollars and a million people dead, Iraqi and US soldiers and injured over something that was based completely on a hoax. So now that's a matter of history. You can look this up. I mean, Colin Pal's chief of staff has come forward and said this. It was the biggest blunder in their career. But we have to be careful that that doesn't happen again. And what I see happening with all the false stuff, you know, happened to this TTSA group and Luis Alzando and Nick Pope and and Chris Millan have all come forward. We don't know what these are. Lie number one, but whatever they are, they're are threats to the national security. Blah blah blah. And then the Pentagon last year releases 1500 pages of documentation uh and other members of this cabal of weirdos about the abductions and the pregnancies and the brain trauma and the burns. Every one of those cases were done by humans. Every one of them. So the I think people before we go leaping like lemmings off another cliff of uh the sky is falling, aliens are invading, we better look at the evidence and be very skeptical of that narrative being pushed on us by the mainstream media and these masters of disinformation that have been plucked out of the Pentagon and elsewhere to tell people this false narrative. It's a very dangerous game they're playing. And and I have to say it the reason it's disturbing is that the public is very vulnerable to that kind of spin because we've all grown up with alien abductions and Ridley Scott's movie Aliens and all the scary scary stuff. So you know it the the public is primed to be maneuvered into something that could be quite catastrophic in terms of our freedoms, our liberty, our society, our future. And I think this is why we have to take a big step back, look at the data, look at the evidence. U you know, in that sense, people say, "Geez, you're the biggest UFO ET skeptic I've ever met." I said, "Not that about their existence, but about a lot of what's prominent and pushed to the forefront because let's not forget the big media and Hollywood are infiltrated by intelligence operatives. I mean there are Hollywood actors who've come forward and said so. So I think we we really have to be cautious uh and give a the chance for this to be studied properly. And then I always tell people and I wrote exactly in 1991 I wrote a paper based on what you said and that is any civilization capable of interstellar travel. They're not breaking the laws of physics. They're discovering more and more advanced physics. Right? I mean Newton with his apple falling from a tree didn't know about quantum mechanics. So I think what what happened we have civilizations that are thousands and some of them perhaps a million years ahead of us that have technologies that are so advanced that they can basically fold spaceime so they go from one point way out here to another and it's right here. It's called quantum entanglement. But through gravitational field and waves, you can fold spaceime like a piece of paper. So one point is here and here and you boom boom. They're not traveling in a straight line. I'll just tell you that there's no linear acceleration. So those technologies uh having that would mean that you would have technologies that are orders of magnitude beyond a thermonuclear weapon. And if they were hostile, they would have made it quite clear why. In 1945, and Jacqu Fle has now confirmed this also, when we detonated the first atomic bomb at the Trinity site, White Sands, there's an electromagnetic pulse everyone knows about. What they don't know about is that there is what's called a scalar or longitudinal uh wave and it's a a normal wavelength is like this. It's a wave light wave. A coherent light which is a laser is all the the the green spectrum all coherently aligned instead of multifasive. When you're dealing with a scalar longitudinal system, it's a point that goes out in a straight line at multiples of the speed of light. The reason the skies were and every nuclear facility in the world has been surveyed and surveiled by extraterrestrial vehicles isn't because they're hostile but because those things are extremely disruptive to other points in the universe because of entanglement non-locality where we think you know it's always a straight lines the speed of light with these systems it's pointto point very quickly makes sense but they're disruptive so so now while This is this is information that we can now prove. We have a physicist who's coming to DC with us who is a top scalar longitudinal physicist has been in many black projects. And one of the one of the issues here becomes very quickly maybe we're the problem. I got to ask you a quick question on your on your stance on scalar in general. Scalar energy scalar waves. So I actually work with a technology called the energy enhancement system. Have you ever heard of it? No. The energy enhancement system is uh it's a technology that uses with other components as well uses scalar energy and scalar waves for as a form of like a healing modality as a form of therapy and so on. So do you see scalar as a negative thing or are you saying that scalar can be used in negative ways and can be used in positive ways? Can you elaborate on that? All science and technology is neutral. It's the consciousness and the intent of the person who wields it that's the problem. I can, you know, as an emergency doctor, look, you know, you can take a knife and spread butter on your bread or you can slit someone's throat or stab them in the left ventricle of the heart. I've seen both. So, it isn't it isn't the technology or the tool. It's what's the intent of those who wield it. Now, can those same technology use be used for communication faster and speed of light? Yes. Can they be used for healing? Yes. Can they augment meditative states? Yes. There are many positive uses. So again, it it isn't that it is inherently bad. It's dangerous when it's in the hands of somebody who is a sociopath or a violent person or what have you. You know, I you know, I always everybody's worried about the aliens. I said, "No, no, no, no, no. It's homo sapiens, humans, with what we're doing with these sort of technologies recklessly that is an an existential threat to other worlds." Now, if they were hostile, given the fact that this was very disruptive to interstellar communication travel, this scalar burst goes way beyond the electromagnetic uh pulse of a of a hydrogen or atomic bomb. Um, they would have just shut this whole enterprise down in a nancond. So, all of that kind of mayhem and insanity, if if they were hostile, it'd be over. It'd be point set match. And here's the big problem. The good people like Eisenhower who were trying to deal with this in the early days was pushed aside by people who were the original supporters of Adolf Hitler. Now you may not know this but Paul Melon is a grandson. I work with him. He is the he is the grandson but also the son of Senator John Warner who just passed away. And he the first time I met him, he says, "Look, my entire family are fascists. We helped fund Adolf Hitler. We were very supportive of fascism." And he was talking about not just his his grandfather, Paul Melon, but people like Watson of IBM and Henry Ford and Prescott Bush, George HW Bush's father. And this is I'm not trying to cast dispersions on anybody or any family. This is just a historical fact. So what happened is that Paul Melon went over at the end of World War II with Allen Dulles, got this disc that the Germans were working on that dealt with this electrovidic. They had not perfected it before we got the atomic bomb. But it was brought back to America and under operation paperclip we brought in key scientists such as Veron Brown Herman over as many others and their whole books been written on this. This isn't this is just a fact. It's not some theory. What people don't know is that those same people were involved in the early UFO extraterrestrial retrieval and research and they were at their core fascist in their ideology. And fascism actually is the collusion uh at the big powerful economic and industrial interests being colluding with government against the interests of the people but in their own interests. That's the original definition of of industrial fascism. Right now, the word is thrown around. Anyone you disagree with is a fascist. But there I'm trying to give people a little history here. Uh which of course, forget the facts in history or science. You know, everybody just wants to be opinionated. But that's the truth. And so what happened is that the fascist sympathizers and big industrialists circled their limousines on this issue in the 40s and 50s and basically by the late 50s Eisenhower had completely lost control of the project. We know this for a fact. I have a man who worked in the White House military army signal corps communications with Eisenhower who is one of our witnesses who testifies to this directly. So this little historical bit is very important because that's when the whole enterprise even though it was highly classified in the 40s and 50s went into a from a black project that was very classified to an illegal unconstitutional unsanctioned project. And so since 19567 the the thing went completely off the rails. uh now we need to correct that because it's very dangerous for a group to have that kind of power. Um, and now luckily through years and decades of a lot of us working to get this done, there was just passed the bill in uh, December right before Christmas, the Congress passed it, the president signed it, allowing a pathway for these whistleblowers to come forward. And I'm now in the process of bringing a whole new generation and trunch of these whistleblowers forward, which you will see in June in Washington. Uh now that this is a complex story. There is an office set up at the Pentagon called Arrow AR O. It's sort of a a group of people who know nothing about the subject and they don't have the clearances. There's another group in the government that manage the black budget and manage the three-letter agencies who we are now providing all our archive and actual intelligence to. And over the last year and a half, they've been able to get in those systems. Although there's been uh some problems, significant problems, as you can imagine. I'm not going to say much more than that. It's dangerous, but um but now we have a lot of people coming forward. I was on Navy Seal Sean Ryan's podcast and you know, he has, you know, millions of military people and then there's a singer rapper named um Chris Brown. Yeah. who loves what we're doing. He dropped the link and boom, suddenly we had 60 new top secret military and intelligence witnesses in the last two months. So, we're now in the process of organizing them to bring them to Washington. Some of them, most of them do not want to be known publicly. They're not going to be at the National Press Club, but they will go into the skiff, the the secure compartmented information facility, and give their information to people who now are hot on the trail of this cover up and secrecy. So, that is an enormous in my 33 years of doing this, I've never seen a development like this. So, that's very good news as long as it doesn't get as long as it doesn't get derailed and hijacked by these powerful interests. So that's that that's my caveat. It's not I'm trying to throw a wet blanket on anyone's enthusiasm, but I've been riding this wild horse for 33 years. So what I tell people is that, you know, it ain't over till it's over. And we just have to do the best we can. Uh remember everything we're doing, and now I'm going to say something here is very outrageous. Outrageous. My organization, our group has more intelligence, information, location of bases, bonafide, top secret sources and methods than the entire legal United States government has. Much more hundred times more. That's all being organized in a 5 to 10 terabyte archive. And we're we need funding, we need support, we need tech support, but that's being handed over. uh a lot of it's already been handed over and it's in a skip in a vault. Now, what needs to happen is that they have to stand up an investigation to get this run this to ground because our organization I don't have an officer said we're all volunteers contrary to people's fantastical rumors. The good doctor gave up $600,000 a year to do this for nothing. But the people who we're working with are very dedicated volunteers and everyone who works on this. We have dozens of people all over the world. Um, and all of these courageous men and women that have come forward and are coming forward. Um, some of them know that lethal force has been used, but we now have a system in place to protect them physically and protect them legally, including their pensions because remember, a lot of, you know, a lot of them have signed a non-disclosure agreement and it says, you talk about this, you lose your pensions, you'll go to prison, you'll be tried for whatever. Um, and now the law that was passed a couple months ago in December 2022 gives a sanctioned legal pathway for them to come forward. So, I'm going to speak to all your viewers and say if anyone of you are or know someone who is or has been someone at a facility, even if it was a small incidental encounter with this, you need to contact us at our websiteisclosure.com. s iusisclosure.com. So now to to play the the devil's advocate card because I think that's important on topics like this. Let's go to this question. If we know that there are people in power doing things to try and stop us from reaching that technology for the purposes that you spoke of, then why aren't extra terrestrials doing anything directly about it? because the common person will come and say, "Well, they can land here and show us without us doing all this work." So, what's your response to something like that? First of all, something that advanced, I don't think the top scientists at MIT, Caltech, Harvard, or wherever would know what to do with it. It took a long time to reverse engineer that. Secondly, if they were to do something like that and intervene, they would be breaking uh a very important rule and that is if you were to do that, then the civilization that you intervene with is not learning what it needs to learn to become a functional global peaceful civilization. And then thirdly, for a fact, I can guarantee you if anything like that were to happen, it would immediately be seized by the spin mass misters in these illegal black projects and their sidekicks at CBS, CNN, all the major Fox, all of them. We are under alien invasion. So, anything that frontal, absolutely. Look what happened to my disclosure project witnesses. I had a bunch of them that were at Minot, North Dakota and Mouser Air Force Base and at the Strategic Air Command when this ET vehicle went over and took 18 intercontinental ballistic missiles all but they were doing it and the the people in the silos said what they understood is that they were saying please don't blow up this beautiful planet. this was in the height of the cold war. But if you do, we can intervene so the whole planet isn't destroyed because they actually love this planet. This planet is a jewel in the cosmos. So, but then you had people like Leslie Keane and other people who work for the New York Times and write for the Boston Globe take those witnesses that they got from me and spun it into Alien Invasion Week. The aliens are attacking our nuclear facilities. the sky is falling. They're a threat to the national security. So unfortunately now, so I'm giving you an a concrete example, factual. Anyone can look up what I just said of the way you can take one fact and spin it into exactly the narrative that plays into the hands of these criminal groups that are running these projects and lying to the congress and the president and the media and the American public. So that if I have figured this out with my meager IQ, I am quite sure that an interstellar civilization that whose IQs are running at three to 500 equivalent scale of a human, which our top skill is 200, would have figured this out. They are not stupid people uh beings. So you know, I think they do not want to hit that trip wire. So here here's a conundrum. It means that we on earth, humans need to fix this problem. If we can correct a lot of this problem, then engage in open what we call C5 contact where it's peaceful contact, not a militarized setting, then I think you're going to see the universe throw its arms open, but we're not there yet. We're quite not there yet. I thought we would be there by uh 1995. So, don't ask me when we might get there because I fought in my nabete as a very young doctor. Uh, I don't know if your viewers can grasp the surreal nature of By day. I'm taking care of shootings and stabbings and raising four kids with a golden retriever and then I'm shuttling up from North Carolina uh to Washington to brief senators and the CI director on something that I know about and they didn't. I mean, it's just it's ridiculous. It's crazy. It's it's what a ride. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be 68 in June. I go Jesus. You know, I thought I thought all this would be I thought, okay. And Lawrence Rockefeller got involved. We organized all these briefing materials for the President Clinton at the time. And I thought, well, you know, and I set a whole set of recommendations of what he needed to do. And the next thing you know, I have a friend of the Clintons come to my home in North Carolina and said, "Look, the people around him say this is too dangerous and that if he pushes on this, I'm quoting, he will end up like Jack Kennedy." And I started laughing out loud. I said, "That's the biggest load of crap." I said, "I don't believe that for a minute." But he said, "No, they are convinced that the president would be in mortal danger and we can't afford to lose another president." Then I said, "Well, what do you want me to do?" He says, 'Well, we we think you should keep doing this. I said, 'Oh, what you're saying is I'm expendable. It doesn't matter if something bad happens to me. He says, 'Yeah, you're expendable. So, I always tell I'm the throwaway guy. Is it true? Is it true that you were offered $2 billion to keep your mouth shut? Yep. General Albert Stubble III, don't you love the name Bert Stubble, uh offered me personally $2 billion dollars in 1992 in May up in near the Estis Park at the um St. Milo's Milo's Retreat Center and we were having a gathering of all the UFO researchers from around the world. He had of course found out about what we were had done to break the let's call it the code how to make contact with these civilizations and he saw us as a threat and so he offered me two billion uh and it was a serious offer. It was going to come from illotten gains from the collapse of the Soviet Union and certain countries in Eastern Europe that they were able to go in and seize enormous amount of assets and he was going to give me access and control over all those assets. And when I said no, he went to my wife. My wife is like epitomizes no ble no bless oblia nice Jewish doctor's daughter from New Jersey and he goes and tries to say oh we're so we so much want your your husband on this committee and on the board and there's he was describing these like crests like you have a family c and of course she oh he was so I said devil speak with tongue so they were trying to neutralize me now this is a we're laughing but one of the things I learned is that there are I met with a man the following year, 93, and it was right before I was going to brief the CI director, and he said, "Look, we have provided at least $10 million to at least minimum $10 million to over 10,000 people to secure their cooperation with this project." And it was another pitch. Yeah. So, you're talking corruption and criminal activity on a scale. Forget the drug cartels. We're talking the people who actually make those markets. So, uh, it's a very very complex problem and I hope the Congress and the White House can untangle it now that we're providing them with all the detailed actual intelligence they need. It's really about the courage and the stick with itness to do it and the intent. We'll see. Wow. Before we speak about your big event coming up in a few weeks, I have a few more questions for you and then we could sum this whole thing up because I also want to be conscious of your time. Question number one is right you keep mentioning that back in 1954 October of 1954 we successfully reverse engineered and created technology that's so-called anti-gravidic anti-gravitational you know propulsion of some sort my question for you is being that you're saying and I agree with you on this one completely that these races these beings are highly advanced do you believe that we truly have the means to reverse engineer it completely Meaning do you think it's only a physical phenomenon or do you think that there are spiritual components that are involved with the operation of these crafts? Uh the top engineers I've met with are really not conversant in the science of consciousness and that aspect of non-locality. They're familiar with the physics of travel, propulsion, time, space entanglement. uh but they're they're not. Now there is a division of this clandestine group that has studied uh the devices that are extraterrestrial uh communication systems. And one of the first things I had to dis explain to the wife of the CI director because she was a scientist. She was the chief operating officer of the National Academy of Sciences was that the uh communication could not be landing her at the speed of light because if your planet is 2 million light years away, it would take two million years to get a signal there at the speed of light like your cell phone. this. So we began to talk about not just scalar but also very advanced systems that are what we I call uh consciousness technology interface systems. Now Elon Musk and other people are trying to work on that with Neurolink but we're talking very advanced systems where like I'm looking at this device I think to it. there's no wires and it does so it it actually is interfacing with the conscious field and the quanta of thought. So that is what interstellar civilizations have which is the foundation of the C5 contact protocols. It's actually based in very specific science although people think it's you know bunk because it deals with consciousness and meditation and thought but on the other hand uh they have not been able to uh get all of that sorted out but that's a different level of technology where there's a seamless conscious thought interface with a device than getting something to fly and move. Uh so let's just say there's a whole constellation of technologies some of which have been mastered uh and some haven't. Now the more dangerous aspects of what they have mastered are electromagnetic devices that are kind of directional energy devices that are longitudinal or scalar. Some people call them radionic and psychotronic. That was the old term in the 70s and 80s. Um that can target people and their behavior and or disruptive. you know something like the Havana syndrome on steroids. Um so uh that that is real and that unfortunately is in the hands of some very bad actors which is another thing that what reason why the government has to get control of these projects because you have very advanced technologies in the hands of people who absolutely cannot be trusted with them. Uh so that's that's it in a nutshell. Yeah. You mentioned that your uncle was part of building something having to go to the moon, that actual technology and vehicle. What's your stance on the moon landing? That's a very controversial issue nowadays. Some people say we did it. Some people say it was fake. What do you believe happened there? Oh, no. We went to the moon. There's no question we went. It's just that what happened wasn't shown fully. Uh, now let's back this up to one of our disclosure project witnesses, Carl Wolf, who was at the Langley Air Force Space National Security Agency uh, compartmented facility where the images from the lunar orbiter in 1968, early digital. They were mapping the surface of the moon were coming in and he went in there just something had broken. He was in there fixing and a guy says, "Come over here. Come over here." This is how a lot of these leaks happen, by the way. and he showed him these digital images of these structures on the moon and some of them were very very old, some were newer. And so when we were sending Neil Armstrong up there and my uncle helped work on the lunar module, which was the actual thing that landed on the moon, um we knew the covertly the intelligence groups that there was a chance that there could be something that they don't want the public to see. And when we did land, they put it down in an area where those structures would not be seen. However, what they couldn't control is that there were these UFOs above the Sea of Tranquility where we sat down on the crater. Now, I've spoken to several people on my team who've seen that footage. It was never shown to the public. It went through a relay and Australia was delayed enough to be taken out and there was other footage put in. No, Stanley Kubric didn't make it. But so did we go to the moon? Yes. Is some of the footage there legit? Yes. Was all of it shown? No. Neil Armstrong told us if he came to the Disclosure Project event we were doing that he was told he his wife, his kids, and his grandkids would all be killed, erased. Uh Buzz Aldrin had a very hard time emotionally with this, but his sister has told me everything you've said about this is true, but it's not my place to out my brother Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the moon. It came down right after Neil Armstrong. So I don't with stance. I have the facts. So I deal with specific intelligence and informations and sources and methods. Uh now, do I have that footage? No. I'd like to get it, but I doubt that will ever happen. Uh remember even something less explosive than that when when our Disclosure Project witness Gordon Cooper uh when his team filmed out here in California at Edwards on a dry lake bed uh a UFO that landed in what was it 56 or 7 and he saw the movie footage for it. He took it, put it in a canister, put it on a general's plane, flew it to Washington. And so some years ago, he and I were giving a presentation to a judicial group in in DC, not a UFO group. And he pulled me aside. He said, "Well, this the Secretary of Defense, Bill Cohen, William Cohen, uh, has had contacted me and asked for all the details of that so he could get it and see this footage." And he he said he got back to me and said, "As the Secretary of Defense, he couldn't access it. It was in a another black now of course sec CI they're read into normal black projects all the time as is the president and the key select members of Congress but this the secretary of defense couldn't access even with all the details that Gordon Cooper had about it where it went who had it da da da so what I tell people is um where the heck is this stuff we know it's being held by an unsanctioned illegal secret government. It's like a government. It's like when Senator Inui said, "We there exists a shadowy secret government with its own air force, its own navy, its own funding mechanism that's above the law and free from the law itself." Go look at that clip. He knew what he was talking about. This senator, so that's what you're dealing with. Uh, and this has been the case since the late Eisenhower presidency. And and now people understand why he said beware of the military-industrial complex. He was promilitary, but he's on military-industrial the unchecked power of this kind of group cabal of folks that had basically pushed them aside. Now that's been the situation except for certain people who have been read in and those are the people who are there to be sure it stays secret. For example, George HW Bush, key member of that committee. Dick Cheney is Admiral Bobby Ray Inman definitely. Have there been Senate? Yes, the Senator John Warner was read in but at a very minor level but he was there to do what he was told to do. His son has told me this. It was like he's like a deadly doer. Yes, sir. You know that kind of thing. Um so that's that's the truth. All this are just based on facts and and research. There have been videos shown of producers from Hollywood saying, "I had a studio during that time to fake the moon landing." Do you think it's possible that they set up a form of backup studio to revert to on video in case they ran into something that they didn't want to show on the moon? Do you think that's a possibility? I think what happened is that they already they knew there was a high chance something would happen that they didn't want the public to see, but they had already filmed uh some footage that could be spliced in. I don't think it wouldn't have been done in real time. It would already been prepared because as I said in ' 68 uh they already knew that there were some things up there. uh now the main folks at at Northrup at that time like the lun the people in the conventional space program let's call it for NASA and the contractors they're not read into that uh so the other problem is people have these grandiose ideas that oh you work for Northrup you know everything well come on or you know for now or you work for the CIA there's a guy I'm working with who has his boss has been at the agency for 35 years and wants me to meet with him because he he's never been read in on any of this. So this is the nature of TSSCI top secret special compartmented information and the compartmentalization is so minute. You can have someone that you've worked with for years sitting right beside you and those two people will not know what they're working on and that is how how it's structured and if they violate that they can get in big trouble. So I think that the the nature the architecture let's call it of this secrecy it needs to be understood uh by the public. Uh now most people in senior ranks of government understand TSSEI. Uh they don't understand that there is a TSSEI plus let's call it or they understand the black budget. They don't understand there's an illegal black budget. Right? So this is where the disconnect has happened. And this is one of the concerns I have. People go, "Oh, the government is hiding this from us." I said, "Unfortunately, 99.9% of everyone in the US government couldn't find their ass in a well-lighted room around this issue." I like to be blunt because they honestly aren't told anything. And so, they're victims. I I look I mean, I've briefed admirals and generals, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Every one of those men have been victims of the secrecy and they're scared because when they find out this is real, they're going, "Oh my god, well, who's running this?" You know, Admiral Tom Wilson when I briefed him and I brought Edgar Mitchell in who was the sixth man to walk on the moon um to to learn. So, he was learning about all this in 97. Uh that admiral said look you know the best thing I know is a B2 stealth bomber and what I've learned now is that and uh there they have objects that can do circles around it and it's point set match what do I do and so that was how that meeting two three-hour briefing ended but he was also threatened he was threatened with being demoted and more for inquiring and this was the head of intelligence joint chiefs of staff J2 so uh you know that was one the problems when he contacted some of these people and they flat out said, "You don't have a need to know." He says, "Well, how can I not have a need to know when I'm the head of intelligence for the joint chiefs of staff?" They said, "Sir, you don't have anything hung up." So, one of the problems is this this broken system allows for what Senator Enu say for this organization to go forward unchecked by law, by the people, by the media, by the president, and by the key oversight committees of the Congress. U but that's changing. We have a letter where 16 senators just signed encouraging the Pentagon to step up the pace of investigating this. Uh I recently met with a member of the House who is demanding that we have open hearings, not the dog and pony show that happened today. Um so there's progress happening, good progress. It's it's amazing to hear and it's amazing to know that you're behind something like that to bring that to the table because of the actual implications of what that means in this world and how it can actually change the world quickly. It's huge. It's I don't think people understand the actual implications of the work that you're doing. They say, "Oh, you know, Dr. Steven Greer, he's doing a bunch of stuff with extraterrestrials and bring things to the awareness of the masses." But it's more than that. Because when you succeed, what you're really succeeding in is it's a revolution in technology. It's a revolution in the economy. It's a revolution in structures of how hierarchies work in the it's a revolution of life. It's huge. Oh, it is. Change every aspect. You know, this is why funny when I was with at the JY Ranch with Lawrence Rockefeller before they brought the Clintons over. Um he said and we were late at night out on the deck and there's a Remington bronze statue out there and we're out under the stars. He says you know doctor the disclosure of this is so vast is so profound in its implications. No aspect of life on earth will be unchanged. I said yes Lawrence that's why it's secret. I mean it's not you know all of this isn't because this is trivial. It is the biggest secret in the history known recorded history of humanity and certainly of the United States. So, so I think that that's when people realize what's at stake and what the implications are and what stakeholders are going to be affected. I mean, look, the price of a barrel of oil will go down to $12 a barrel. It'll just be used for lubricants, plastics, never be used for fuel again. So th this is an enormous implication. You know, I recently consulted with a $2 trillion mutual fund uh where they were doing a ultimate black swan paper on what the impact would be on their portfolio when all this comes out. And I said you'll have a 50% reduction in the value of your $2 trillion fund. So uh you know this, you know, so I'm being very honest. I mean this is the this is how you know the implications and the weight of the issue. But if we kick this can down the road another generation well a I won't be here so it won't be you know my children and grandchildren. But um but if we kick it down the road, I mean the the the risk to geopolitically I mean yeah we're wanting to go to war over oil already right how many times endless oil wars uh Middle East Russia Ukraine that look at the oil politics but then you start looking at the biosphere and even if you don't believe in global warming there's no question the oceans are dying and there are five to 10 million people a year dying just from particulate matter soot in the air from burning coal and all this noxious stuff. The irony is is that no one living on the earth barely has been alive when we could have when when we should have been doing that. The oil and gas and coal should have been all that should have been retired in the early 1900s. You came here to heal humanity and you found a different way of of pretty much doing it. Well, I joke I kind of miss being in the I I miss being emergency department. I like life and death and you know being saving lives. Uh but I I sort of realized you know what now my patient is the earth and her eight billion children. It's sort of like it's the doctor you know there is a different patient. Yep. Earth. Yep. I love the earth. A beautiful place. I got one last question for you before we dive into your event and everything that you're doing with your film The Lost Century. Again, I like asking the questions that unfortunately create division in the world with the intention of uniting the world instead of dividing with different beliefs. So, one of the big uh divisive beliefs today is flat earth round earth. You can't leave earth because there's a firmament that keeps us within and all these things that have been coming out over, you know, a lot more so over the past three years than I've seen ever. So my question for you is what is your response to arguments with with you know everybody saying well there's hours and thousands of hours of research of the earth is flat and NASA's lying to you. What's your response to something like that? Well it's nonsense. I mean the flat earth society is interesting but it's not true. Uh now you can move spacetime so everything is in a plane but that's not the way one sees it. Um and I there's no question that there are stars and galaxies and planets that are spherical and etc and so on. Um and the idea that you can't leave the earth is also ludicrous uh or come into the earth. I mean, where did these 5,000y old carbonated cave drawings of ETSs and the UFOs just like the ones we see now come from? They weren't hoaxes. They're real. uh the artwork that's in the from the 13400s of uh Mary holding Jesus with a a star symbol and above her left shoulder a classic is exactly like a modern UFO with the light coming down with people underneath of it going like this reaching upward um you know so the universe there's no point trying to argue with that I mean it's like talking to someone who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old and that we rode dinosaurs bearback and you know that there's a whole museum in Kentucky on this you know at a certain point I don't feel I have one has to indulge every um crazy argument um you know and and look as senator Patrick Daniel Moahan said everyone is entitled to their opinion but not their own set of facts so u now of course we live in an age of anyone makes any fact they want to and say it's a fact when it isn't. Uh but nevertheless, there are facts and there are data points and there is science and there is research and evidence and and I think you know that we have to stay while we have to be very open-minded, we don't have to be so open-minded our brains fall out on the floor. I mean 100%. I I like I like how you ended that just now because it's coming from this place of I think we're living in an age of extreme paranoia where now because we've seen a lot of lies exposed everything is a lie right and right you know I mean to me it's it's very simple you you can use a telescope and see that everything around you is a sphere you could see everything in the macro and the micro as a sphere why why wouldn't we be one exactly [Music] Subscribe.