VEGA - Gas Analysis Discussion

Hi, my name is Bob Grier and I'm a volunteer with the Martin Flashman Memorial Project. So welcome this Sunday the 7th of September 2025 where we are going to discuss the gas analysis that I did with my colleague and friend in Santa Cruz in California one Alan Goldwater of the samples that were given to me before I set off to America by Hank Urion that came out of his various experiments in glowing activity Vega experiment. experiment and we are going to discuss my analysis and see if there are some reasonable conclusions. So, can you hear me? Are you there out there in YouTube land? Let me know if you can hear my voice clearly, if it's too distorted or whatever. I've had to set everything up. Hopefully, it's still functioning. Welcome, Boo Blazer. What a great handle that is. And uh Harrison Wooten misunderstood. Thank you for staying up. Thank you, Tree Ball. Thank you, Charlotte. Thank you, Paul Harris. You're going to like this, Paul Harris. Um I think we're on our way to understanding the power source behind the ball lightning. And I will give a little bit of a in uh implications discussion at the end. Um, but it's really rather satisfying if this is true and uh we have a path to verification for it. But let's see. Hi James HL, not HL. Okay. All right. Whatever that means. So um the actual analysis video that was done uh recorded in Santa Cruz uh you can gain by going to this link here and the data that we are going to be looking at today and the application which you can use to view that data. If anyone has any problems let me know. I am going to be looking at this under parallels on a Macintosh. And so, hi David Bouier, you're going to love and Dan Moretti, you're going to love the uh next video. And this is a very recent um experiment by Henurian in his Vega experiment. And for those that are coming to join us in Prague, you will see the Yan Rack who is mentioned by Eugene Pod Kletnoff a couple of days ago on on Tim's uh interviews. Um a version of the Vega experiment there in Prague. So you'll be able to see it up close and personal. So here I'll let this play here. Hi Mel Fury. So this is a still frame. Uh you can see how the intensity of the plasma is coming towards a pinch point and it's split into four quadrants and then it has this domed glow over the top. I'll just play this off there. Maybe you can hear his words. I don't know. We will see if this works. Interesting. Plus my regime on the note. This is fascinating. It's uh I had this extra electrode there. Well, you can see that's gone. I have to do when I want to use that. I need a new one. But okay. I don't know what I'm seeing actually. I mean, it's changing from one to the other. It's a cone. You can see standing waves. And there's a very nice pattern on the anode. Not pumping. So the pressure is getting higher a little bit. Okay. No, Boo Blazer, that was not a grape in a microwave. That is a ball of metal in as the anode in a experiment in glowing activity experiment a definitely uh a glowing activity high taren beard right and so uh we're going to look at the um the the the the data that underpins the data for the gas analysis And we have to understand a little bit around about the device used the series 2 MKA uh quadripole mass spectrometer. Couple of points here is uh the electron energy here. So this will be from the data file um that I have already shared and you can see the electron energy here is 40 uh electron energy 40 specifically means 40 electron volts representing a low electron energy setting. Uh standard settings often 70 eV this was the energy that was used in the bingo and hang gas analysis by the experts that work for the Taiwan semiconductor industry. But we're using 40 EV in this analysis. Um and lower values like 40 EV are selected to avoid interfering peaks in the mass spectrum. Okay. So this gives us um a tighter uh spectrum. And um what you see down the bottom here is a load of bars uh going from mass uh one all the way through to mass 100. Um there's some gaps in there. And this is actually the spectrum of noise that the electronics produces in the device. And when you study this data, it doesn't even get up to uh 0.01 01 in in the um Y um axis here. And so I've gone well above that as and set my noise floor to uh over double the noise level. Now I'm going to show you the application uh over in the window side here. And what happened when we were running the experiment, the uh element turned off and so we get to see the noise. So the element turned off here. So basically we are looking at um air plus noise and then we are looking at sample plus noise sample one and then air plus noise and sample two and then uh sample three and then just noise down here. And you can see that the noise here whatever we look at here uh we're not achieving more than 02 uh we're always below this uh uh 01 line here. So if I move this bar along here, you can see that this is uh uh noise levels down at 6.11 * e to the minus3. I go and have a look at this peak over here. 7.72 * eus 3. Let's find see if we can find a higher one. Um there's one over here. Okay. And that is um 8.51 * to e uh to the minus 3. So this is um the noise floor. The other thing is um so what we do to adjust for that we go in here and I'm going to set the noise floor to 002 here as I showed in my slide. And basically as we go around this end where there's no data, we don't see any peaks in this whole area here. Okay. Uh hi magic sound. I've just gone through the um uh removing the noise floor. Okay. And so down the bottom here, when we turn on the device, it starts uh sucking in air and it goes from a not accurate level down to an accurate level down here where it stabilizes. Okay. And then uh we carry on a little bit and um and this is all in sucking in the air. So this is looking at the air at this stage and then suddenly you'll see these other signals coming in and that's when we put in sample one and you can go and look at this on the video and then we take out sample one and it pops back to air and you can see how fast it changes. It just changes in like two scans. Uh we're back or maybe three scans. Uh, we're looking at the air and then back within a couple of scans, you're looking at sample two. Then back to air somewhere over here. That's air again. In a couple of scans, it goes back to the air and then back when we put in sample three. Uh, okay. All right. Now what you can see over this entire range, it doesn't matter whether we're looking at the air or we are looking at the samples, you do not see anything above 50. So we can go in here and go to view properties and we can set the upper bound of the mass here to 50. Okay. And then that gives us a a a more clear representation of the data that's coming out of the mass spectrometer. Okay. All righty. Oh, not that one. Uh, where are we? Uh, uh, we need to go back here and I need to press play again. Shuts that down. Okay. So then the iron energy here uh is 7 electron volts. And this is all in the data file that came out of it. So when when it was recorded, it was looking at uh first mass 100 uh last mass uh uh 100. Um but it's good that we use this lower electron volt so we get uh less uh interfering peaks. So what we see on a peak really is around about that mass. Uh so that's all good. And again, just to clarify, the noise never got to uh 001 uh even close. Um and so we've set it to 0.02 as our noise floor in the subsequent data. Now what I next did is I took all of the valid samples I where it had settled uh and or it wasn't switching between the for instance the average air here and the sample one. I've taken out these samples and then I average them and I'll go into the spreadsheet now and you'll see what I've done there. uh not on this one in this one. So here we go. Um these are all for the air samples and you can see it's really rather a large number of samples and a uh across the 100 mass points. Okay. Uh so this is where the atmospheric came in. It came in at a stable level by scan 10. And so from scan 11 all the way down to um scan 291 uh uh we have got stable sort of um samples on the air. And what I've done here you can see I've sampled all of those and divided it by the number of samples 281 to get an average um sample for that mass number. Okay. So that should really tie that down to to being an average of all those samples. Again, the same thing was done for sample one. And uh uh you can see here there were 111 samples and then uh we have sample two and again we've got the average of those and then sample three and we've got the average of those. So that's what I was doing there. And uh that gave us a series of averages that we will compare um in a minute. Well, the spectrum for the air essentially was this. And you have uh atomic nitrogen, atomic uh oxygen. So um you can see that the uh the uh beam energy was 40 electron volts. the electron beam energy and the ion energy was seven uh electron volts. So you can get some broken up um parts of molecules. So we have here nitrogen n2 is actually the strongest chemical bond. I thought for a long time that uh H2 was by weight it is the strongest um but N2 is the strongest chem chemical uh bond. It's actually got three bonds in there and so nitrogen is extremely stable and that's why uh probably that it's there in the atmosphere in such abundance. Okay. So here we got nitrogen oxygen so atomic oxygen we have the O radical here. There we go. And water. So that is your mass 14 for nitrogen 16 for oxygen. uh uh the O radical 17 and uh 18 H2O. Um then you've got nitrogen and um there's some isotopes of nitrogen. There's nitrogen 15. And you can see that this is a logarithmic scale. So this is vastly less than this. And this also might be a little bit of cross talk because nitrogen is 78% of the air. And so you can expect it to be uh the biggest um by far. You can see here oxygen is uh around about 20%. Um and you might have some isotopes of oxygen. This might be um heavy oxygen or something or something else. But anyway, argon here at the 40 line and CO2, this minuscule signal down here, practically the smallest of all of the signals, is this thing that everyone's worried about. Uh it's actually um uh 5.98, not four. And that might be because uh there's Allan, myself and a dog breathing away in that lab space and uh so you know uh gets the CO2 a little bit higher um from the anthropogenic um production of CO2 in that lab space. So there we have that. Okay. Now um the sample one here uh you can see is uh has got a number of other peaks coming in. So the first peak that's coming in here is 12 two which is uh hydrogen. You can see there's no one being detected here above our noise floor and uh I think you can safely conclude therefore that the energy isn't uh sufficient to break up hydrogen uh to a degrade degree. Um now of course um you have hydrogen in water as well and we know that we had some ice uh water in the form of ice in that container. So maybe it's coming from that. There's 12 here which is carbon. Okay. Uh there's nitrogen at 14. There is oxygen at 16 and there is uh uh O radical at 17 and there is the uh water here at 18. But as you notice, this 15 has come in. And what 15 is typically is a hydrocarbon. Okay? It's a hydrocarbon. Uh the nitrogen lines don't change so much. There's an extra lot of bit going on with 29. And we see this uh 31 dropping down. Uh we see 33 coming in and we see uh 30 appearing. Okay. Uh we're going to have a look at that a little bit later. Now the argon line drops a little bit. uh we have this 41 coming in here and then around the CO2 the CO2 massively leaps up. So we go from 5.98 uh uh to the minus2 to 9 uh.88 uh to the zero. So that's uh you know uh two orders of magnitude uh increase here. Um uh much much more significant at 44. And then we see the appearance also of mass 45 and mass 46. Okay. So uh that is very interesting. What is mass 45 and mass 46? Okay. We'll also look now at sample two. So this is sample two. Again these are all single scans rather than averages. It's the s the software doesn't allow you to show an average. In fact, or rather I haven't found out how to do it other than writing the data back into a file, which might technically be possible, but um I don't think so. Um and uh I've not been able to do it. And um uh if you try and do logarithmic data like this that starts at uh um to the minus level, it's actually quite hard to do in spreadsheets. So this application is is the simplest way to look at this data. Okay. Anyway, so um the the the important thing here is consistently across these we're seeing this production of 43, 45, 46, uh 30, uh we're seeing the 15 here and the 12 and the two across the various scans. Okay, there's also a little bit of a creepage in here of 19. Um, okay. So, now if we actually've got some synthesis here and uh Yeah. Yeah. And magic sound says, "Is there any questions for him?" I I will talk about what you told me. Um, but no, I think I resolved uh all of the outstanding questions. Now in terms of if we are synthesizing matter in the Vega experiments and certainly would appear from the Vega Valley and other experiments that have been conducted in the Vega experiment. Uh we are getting magneto hydrodnamics for certain. Uh we have the uh uh the teleportation the flux loop the Hutcherson effect going on. We have these regular arrays of matter being destroyed and these ironrich krenolated spheres and these particular structures which Matsumoto of course observed and in uh uh the electronuclear regeneration that he coined the phrase for he saw conventional elements such as carbon, oxygen and iron being synthesized. Carbon, oxygen and iron. Okay. And he described it as whatever the matter is gets clapped into a point of electron collapsed into a point of electronuclear collapse and the matter then travels through a wormhole which we physically observed on the cardioid infarction sample and then you get the production of hydrogen, carbon and oxygen and you get the production of titanium and iron in the center. So on the outside you get this uh hydrogen, carbon and oxygen etc. And then in the center you get this uh titanium and iron. So we actually saw these uh carbon tubes. We've seen these products in various experiments. And uh the actual products we also have seen in the Vega Valley. This is from 10th of May 2022. Uh in this classic shot of the broken up uh um ball lightning like structure, you have the iron and oxygen core, the silicon and oxygen around the outside of that, and the calcium and oxygen around the outside of that. And then this blended material that you see between here is predominantly carbon and elements in between. This major fractions here of iron, silicon, and calcium were seen in the physical review letter. The only spectrum of um ball lightning. Of course, they're seeing nitrogen and oxygen. Those two are in the air. And I believe that oxygen and uh hydrogen uh are the fuel. And you're going to see why I think that in a few minutes. It's going to be a quite short experime uh um experimental review here or rather data review but I think it's probably one of the most significant ones I have done since the start of this journey uh uh if it turns out in fact to be true. So um the iron uh and silicon and calcium of course they're all constituents in air and in soil rather and someone might say that it's come from the soil but the fact that this broken up ball lightning on this zinc copper oxide background gave these perfect signatures and we've seen this over and over again. Um I think I think this is really the signature of ball lightning. Now now we we also know that the ironrich krenolated sphere itself uh has a hole in it typically of which it spews the internal contents and on a separate area of the vega valley we saw this little iron richch crrenated sphere. You can see another one here and another one here. But this one had two aspects to it. It set out this tube of material which is exactly uh as described by Matsumoto. It's a tube uh and it's predominantly carbon. The tube here is uh 84.8% by mass uh carbon and then it's 13.343 oxygen and then the sulfur, copper and zinc will be seen through the bottom of that. So if you adjust for the uh oxygen and the copper and zinc in the substrate because some of the beam energy will go through and give you photons from the substrate then you could argue that almost all of this tube is carbon. But what have we got here on this head? Um before we go there we'll look on the outside of this uh ironrich krenellated sphere and we can see iron and silicon just as we observed in the um previous slide here iron with silicon. Okay. Um so the silicon comes on the outside. So much much less but um and and some oxygen and iron in this Fe2 kind of approximate ratio. Now if you go and have a look now at these two toidal discs that are being ejected here from the hole the hole on which the carbon tube was uh first ejected then um we can see that this here uh from this spectrum here has a atomic concentration of 7.655 uh atoms of titanium. Okay. And titanium is the fusion of CO2. And here we go. We have uh um here tw 21 uh% by weight. So a large proportion of the mass that's actually in these structures coming out of the hole is titanium. Again looking at another spot here we have again titanium here. Um and we also have some calcium going on here. and the range of these elements that you get uh this stellar synthesis carbon oxygen there but aluminium silicon calcium titanium iron okay in here and then again a look at the uh trail there it's predominantly carbon and oxygen with the copper and zinc throwing through but showing through but also we have a little bit of calcium there so these same kind of signatures uh turning up now in the next slide unfortunately when I image this the SEM did not have a um uh a uh EDS detector, but this was from the binge. Thank you very much, Blacktight. It's really kind of you. Um uh for that £20. Um the VCS 5RT. This was the uh one of the most heat producing if not the most heat producing reactor in in one reactor uh configuration of Bing Huang. Um it produced this iron richch krenolated sphere. Uh same exact morphology as those observed in the uh Vega experiment of Henuran and others but it had this darker material inside which normally uh indicates a lighter elements with what looked like tooidal structures in there with lighter flex in there. Unfortunately, I couldn't look at this on as I said on that day, but in a separate reactor that was given to me at a diff a later time, the 41B, we found a broken up one of these uh structures showing the uh golden ratio inner and outer part of the iron uh oxygen rich outside and these tooidal structures which are predominantly carbon and oxygen. Okay. But they have whiter areas in there and the whiter areas are in fact this titanium. Okay. So the fusion of CO2 in the ratio that you observe it in there which is CO2 approximately if you fuse that together uh you get titanium. So what I'm arguing is that when the wavelets of the coherent matter when you do the coherent energy transformation hit the normal vacuum energy state it automatically collapses into uh the uh uh constituent ratios of the density of the wavelets of the coherent matter in there. And so you get these uh uh carbon oxygen and then where they are um intersecting you can imagine maybe uh you are seeing the uh titanium. Okay. Now um that is the formation of uh titanium out of the core of the um uh ironrich krenolated sphere. As you can see here, you are seeing some iron here in this section here. It's not a lot. Um, but you have to go past calcium and titanium to get to iron. And we're going to see how that happens in a little while. Now, in the paper uh in nature, which we are still discussing with the editors of nature, who are um let's put it this way uh not at at the top of their game, shall I say. Um there was my proposal um for the reaction which is based on uh uh neutrinos uh in this case an anti-utrino coming in to allow for the simultaneous fusion uh uh of a proton and electron and 16 oxygen. uh this whole reaction is energetically favorable to go immediately through the what I would call the coherent energy transformation of the magnetoroelect electrical cluster the u uh fractal tooidal moment core the topological monopole and it produces the 17 oxygen here okay and I've argued the precise reason for that is that all forms of oxygen are paramagnetic and uniquely paramagnetic in that way and highly paramagnetic And uh atomic hydrogen whether it is with an electron as you can look at it here or without an electron the electrons just there anyway in an electron cloud uh they they can uh both of those things have a magnetic moment whereas H2 does not. So you you do need to split the hydrogen into atomic hydrogen. Okay. Uh and those come together. This was the proposal from one of the reviewers uh which we put in uh uh um as part of the uh peer review process. Um although it's basically impossible for this reason. Uh sorry not not this one. I'm talking about seven this one here where you get an a proton and an electron and 16 oxygen fusing to make 17 oxygen and an antiutrina. This is not possible because you need to have the formation of a nutri neutron in this process and you have to give it energy and so you have and and you also will produce uh a gamma. So this is not a a a possible process uh in my view but this is what the reviewer wanted to be put into there and the focus of this paper was on the observation and this is only hypothetical mechanisms um uh and uh reactions to achieve the 17 oxygen required for reaction 8. Reaction 8 is two 17 oxygen come together to produce 12 carbon and 22 neon. I have previously in another uh um presentation reframed the John Boas of Tex Texas&M and uh Sund M uh Sundereason uh experiment that they did I think in 1995 or 1996 of carbon arc underwater where they said it was two carbons and two 18 oxygen coming together to produce four helium and iron 56. that explained the extra heat and synthesis of iron in their carbon arc experiment underwater. I've said you actually form four 17 oxygens and they fuse and fish into uh 12 carbon and iron 56. The energy release is almost identical and it would count uh uh for what they observed but they would never have seen the carbon. So it's a similar process and I think this whole process of formation of 17 oxygen and uh formation of uh elements from that uh those core building blocks uh and the synthesis of carbon and other elements is what is going on as a fuel source for lener and also as a fuel source for uh other systems that involve water like ball lightning. Okay. So, uh, 12 carbon and 17 oxygen. Why do I think that happens? Well, here are the reactions in order from nanosoft.co.nz, uh, the reaction calculator I've designed and Philip Power built for me. Thank you very much, Philip Power, uh, in New Zealand based off the Parkov reaction tables. And if you look at the reactions here, the first most energetic, which are the most likely if you're trying to squeeze it into a small box, and remember that is a small sphere, is um uh the in interaction of carbon 13 and oxygen 18 with the nutrino on the right, carbon 13, oxygen 17, carbon 12, and oxygen 18. These are unlikely. And that's because look at the uh percentage uh abundance of 16, 17, and 18 in the crust. uh if if you're having uh 18 here that is unlikely to occur and plus carbon 13 is also very unlikely and it's not a synthesis product of this process you get carbon 12 out you don't get carbon 13 out so if you have no carbon to start with as I showed you here you end up by synthesizing carbon uh 12 whether you're getting neon or whether you're getting iron 56 okay so you don't have 12 is by far the most abundant element So these are more unlikely although there is some natural abundance of carbon 13. So um uh this could occur right. So um uh uh before before I go into this I and just complete this table I I need to show you what the output or and my um evaluation of the elements are that are going on in the um mass spectra. So uh again I showed you the average here. Um and this is this is what it comes down to. Uh essentially I have um if I zoom into this where everything is either negative that is read in brackets or um it is very low i.e. be below my threshold of 002. I've kind of readded it out. Um, these aren't read it out, but they're essentially uh uh noise as well because they're below 0.02, which is my noise threshold. These are well above the noise threshold. And you can see um over and above here um this is it's difficult because this is a negative. It's basically noise. Um uh so you know I I've had to make this positive. It should it should actually be like this. I should actually have these in brackets by removing the negative symbol here as I've got over here. So um essentially there's zero hydrogen in the air ordinarily and there is a large amount of hydrogen relatively um in the analyzed gas. Then there is 12 carbon. So for some reason we are getting hydrogen and carbon and we know from the work of uh um Pantelli he says protons come out of this system and we also know from other people that are suggesting and I have suggested that carbon and hydrogen are produced by coherent energy transformations in the bowels of the earth and that is what leads to abiogenic synthesis of hydrocarbons and So um uh Matsumoto observed hydrogen and carbon coming out. So these two things could be synthesis product uh products. Um 14 nitrogen. You can see here that on sample one it's actually below the amount of uh nitrogen that was in the uh air um but it's slightly above here. So this is not really significant. Essentially what I've done is I where it's not that massively significant, I've left it as not colored. The 15 nitrogen here, this 15 nitrogen is a rare isotope. It's still well below the um noise level at this point here. However, it's massively above that uh in this area here. So uh what is it? Well, it is CH3. It's a hydrocarbon fragment. Now, when I start to see CH3, I think, well, is it synthesized? Because like you've got carbon and a hydrogen, but is it likely to synthesize a hydrocarbon? Maybe. Maybe it could synthesize a hydrocarbon in the core of the structure. So, if you've got carbon being synthesized in the coherent energy transformation system in the center of the ball lightning structure and it's under intense pressure, it may actually start to produce a hydrocarbon fragment. Uh so these are not significant the 16 oxygen the uh u uh O radical and the H2O the uh when we get to 19 and again there was nothing basically here but um it was positive at some level it's 04498 um we end up with a reasonably significant increase in this and what is this well uh it could be hydrronium because we've got we've definitely got hydrogen here. Uh and it's not it's not a single um atomic hydrogen, but it's hydrogen and it's bubbling through water when the gas is produced. So, it could be hydrronium or it could be heavy oxygen water. That's at H270 as observed by uh Bin Joan Huang. Uh it could also be um Florian but I don't think so. Uh there's a proviso I need to make at the end of that. Um but um uh uh because of something that was used by Allen to test the uh um gas spectrometer earlier in the day. Um but it's not really important for the point of argument here to focus on whether this is hydrronium uh florine ion or um uh uh H27 uh 170 right so 26 appears again it's below the noise floor here but it's more than double here and here it is uh 10 times this is an order of magnitude bigger and well above the noise floor here in these two samples from um the gas sampled. And what is this? Well, this is acetylene C2H2. And again, it's a fragment of a hydrocarbon. And could the acetylene being be produced inside the ball lightning structure? I think it probably can. And I know someone that's in the chat that uh would probably agree with me. Um uh I'm looking at you, Paul Harris. Uh uh here. These are below the um air sample. This is barely above. So we won't be really considering 27 28. Again 29 we have a much larger this is well above the noise floor here. And uh this is massively above uh the noise floor and we've got uh uh factors here. So it's relatively above the noise floor here but this is much larger. So again C2H5 this is a hydrocarbon fragment and here again at 30 we have uh slight increase here and this is um uh ethane. So uh what we are looking at here is possibly the formation of hydrocarbons. This is abiogenic synthesis of hydrocarbons. Okay. Uh let's go up the chain here. Um the 31 32 uh are not significant. They're below atmospheric conditions. Okay. Uh 34 again is below atmospheric air. And here is and 33 is is barely above it. Okay. So nothing really of interest there. Again, same story here at 39. Same story here at 40. Same story here at 42. However, again this is negative. So it makes the it difficult. But here um this is very very significantly above the background but it's still not much above noise cuz the the noise level I set at 02 this is 028 this is 031 this is 044 however this is the propill ion and similarly at mass 43 this is C3H5 plus at mass 43 you have C3H7 plus um again this but this is really starting to talk about fairly really big numbers. This is uh three times the noise level. So, it I'm not going to get too excited about this. Not too excited about this these two propill ions. However, when we get to mass 44, um, we've got to think because, uh, we see on average across all of the samples that, uh, Alan and I are obviously mouth breathers, he heavy breathers, and the dog, uh, and maybe the cat as well contributed to this, uh, level of CO2 in the background air in there. However, look, this goes from 06 to 9. Okay, so it's two orders of magnitude bigger. 8.8 8.2. Fairly consistent across those in the same order of magnitude. This is either C3 H8, that is to say propane, or it's CO2. Now, we know it's CO2 in the air. It could be propane because the tank has formally been used with propane. Now I had a long discussion with Hink. The steel is known to not absorb propane. It had been used for a very very long time. However, um because propill ions and this and and this and this and this and this could all be fractions of propane. We can't discount the fact that it's pro it might be propane. However, where I'm getting really excited is this mass 45. It basically didn't exist. It was 0.00144. So, it's more than an uh two orders of magnitude below the noise floor on average across all of the samples. And suddenly, it's 23, like an order of magnitude above the noise floor. Okay. 1,611,259 times 1,237 times a significant signal here. What is this? Well, this my dear friends is quite likely possibly and it's almost difficult to believe it. Uh 13 16 13 C 16 oxygen. I don't think so because 13C is very rare and it uh I don't expect it to be that. But the likelihood here is that it's heavy CO2. Again, at 46 there was even less. In fact, it was slightly more actually, but it's actually negative. So, it's a lot a lot less. And so, what whilst this is negative and it skews the numbers, if I actually uh made this Yeah. Any anyway, this is negative. So, this is basically infinitely more. Um, and this would be super heavy oxygen uh CO2. So, uh I don't know why that should say 12 carbon. Uh I don't know why it's not saying 12. That should be 12 there. That should be 12 anyway. Um yeah, that should be 12, not two. There's no two carbon. Ignore that. I'll fix that before I share the data. So, this is actually more significant than this. Okay. Relative to the start point, although it me gets messed up because the the noise is negative here. Okay. Thank you for your kind words, Silent D. So, um what we have here essentially is either de dimethyl ether here or we have another heavy C uh oxygen CO2. Now the thing is that this is in a plasma environment. It's both in a plasma environment in the sense of in the Vega reactor which is an intense plasma environment and it's in a plasma or an ionizing environment in the mass spectrometer. So I I don't think you're going to be synthesizing this dimethyl ether in here even if we had propane in the tank. Okay. So uh and the thing is actually that CO2 is a stronger bond strength than either uh water or O2. Uh and so um CO2 is very good at surviving and so it's a good signature. So if this is heavy CO2, we can verify this in another run and we either need to bring Muhammad to the mountain or the ma mountain to Muhammad. That is to say, we need to get the gas spectrometer to a vagger experiment or a vagger experiment to the gas spectrome gas spectrometer and do this real time. Okay? And uh we need to scrub. If we can't do that, we need to at least scrub using calcium oxide the um the uh the gas coming out or before it goes into the mass spectrometer. If we rem if we do the scrubbing and we remove this massive increase this uh three orders of magnitude increase of signal and this is more than three orders of magnitude increase here of these if they are absorbed that is to say the CO2 is absorbed by the calcium oxide the scrubber then 100% certainly uh we are creating heavy uh uh CO2 which is a plasma system with magneto hydrodnamics doing exactly what is happening and that I predicted before it was observed uh through the magneto hydrodnamic process through very detailed reasons and normal property reasons of the atoms and their molecules uh and their uh uh atomic states um in the bingewin hang reactor the subject of that paper. So if you go back to our paper here, I will walk through the entire process and it's highly highly logical. Okay, it's highly logical. It all follows the same logic. Right? So naturally speaking, 12 carbon and 16 oxygen are the most abundant elements that are in the Earth's crust. 12 carbon is 98.89% of natural carbon. And the uh um 16 oxygen is uh 99 uh 759 um the percent of the earth's crust. Okay. So because carbon 13 is not abundant reaction at the top here which is energetically most favorable and most likely to happen when you're trying to squeeze it into that small sphere in the center of the magneto hydrodnamic structure. Uh this is unlikely to happen. This is again carbon 13 again unlikely to happen. And of course oxygen 18 is a rare isotope unlikely to happen. So in a situation where you have abundant carbon 12 either because you have carbon 12 in the system or because you are synthesizing it as part of this process of either producing neon 22 or producing iron 56 uh from the Brist experiment sorry from the hang experiment and from the botrist experiment respectively you you have carbon 12 and you have the oxygen 17 synthesized by this process here by this process here. The first reaction that you come across where you have either natural or synthesized carbon 12 reacting with uh oxygen 17 leads to silicon 29. And this is where it gets really interesting because you got to imagine that this process is going on in a massive way in the core of these reactors. So now we have silicon 29 in the mix and more 17 oxygen being synthesized and silicon 29 is the second most abundant element in of isotope of silicon in the earth's crust. Okay. Uh so we have 29 silicon and 17 oxygen. Well lookie here the first three reactions here use uh rare oxygen 18 rare oxygen 18 rare oxygen 18. And the first two of those uses the rarest silicon and then the second rarest silicon. And then the third one uses the the the the most common form of silicon. It's most of the Earth's crust and it's the second most abund abundant element in the Earth's crust. However, oxygen 18 is rare. So the first reaction that comes which is most likely when you've got a process producing this from oxygen 17 and carbon 12 to silicon 29 is the oxygen 17 and silicon 29 reaction which produces titanium 46. Titanium 46 is the second most you're going to see a pattern here abundant element earth in the element in the earth's crust. Okay what happens when you fuse that? Well, we'll come along to that in a minute. But anyway, we see titanium. Where did we see titanium? Well, we saw titanium. We saw it here in the core along with what do we see it with? Carbon and oxygen. Now, we don't know the isotopes, but we saw it with carbon and oxygen. Here, we saw titanium. It's the third most abundant element in the core of this structure. Where else did we see it? So this is in bingen hangs 4-1-B. I expect that if we could have looked at this with uh EDS, this would have had titanium in it. We saw titanium in large areas of broken up material as spots just like you see here in other areas of various uh cores of binguan hang reactors. Out of this from the Vega Valley you see titanium. It is the third most abundant element which is not the substrate of zinc or uh uh here. So again uh look at it here titanium the third most abundant element in there other than carbon oxygen. So that is in my view how it is synthesized. You get first the uh water provides hydrogen and oxygen electrons. The process combines those into 17 oxygen and then uh you can get carbon 12 synthesized by this process or by the one that goes to iron or you can get carbon 12 from the environment. There are other paths to carbon 12 but this combines and this is the first most likely to get to silicon. Silicon is observed. It is observed uh here you see in the core. Okay. uh it is observed here in the material coming out of the core. Okay. So silicon is observed and that goes to titanium 46. Okay. Then the reaction which I showed you here that produces neon here 22 neon plus 22 neon produces calcium 44 which just so happens to be the second most abundant isotope of calcium. Where do we see calcium? We see calcium in the outside of ball lining. We see it coming out of the core here. We've got calcium here. Okay. And we see here calcium. Okay. Calcium is formed in these processes. Okay. So, calcium 44. Now, if we take calcium 44 and we fuse that with carbon 12, what do we get? Drum roll. iron 56, calcium 12 uh and uh carbon sorry carbon 12 and calcium 44 iron 56. There is a massive amount of energy that can be yielded from this process. Firstly, there's a whole shedload of energy that comes from this. Then you get carbon 12 to oxygen 17 uh 21 million electron volts. oxygen 17 and silicon 29 21 million electron volts. Uh here the two fusions of neon 22 over and above the energy you get from this reaction here is 25 million electron volts. And down here when you take this calcium 44 and you fuse that with carbon 12 you get 19 million electron volts. This is so much energy. So much energy. Now notice you've got the most abundant elements to start with. Carbon and uh oxygen here uh are natural. Okay. Once you start synthesizing this oxygen 17, it is not only paramagnetic, it has spin because it's an odd nuclei isotope. So it is preferentially captured into the core. And so in my view, it's preferentially taking place in the reaction. And that is exactly what you're seeing here. I don't think you need to go through this process necessarily. In some parts of the wavelits, it will go straight there. But when you get past the initial experiment uh uh products or rather inputs, you have the second most abundant element playing the principal principal role. The second most of of uh um silicon, the second most abundant uh isotope uh of uh calcium playing a principal role. the second most abundant uh isotope of neon taking a principal role and the second most abundant uh uh isotope here uh taking a principal role so it's all the second so I think the reason they are the second most abundant element is because this process has gone on producing these second most abundant elements all over the world right um and so uh uh it this is a we now have multiple sets set of data that 100% on magneto hydrodnamics fractal tooidal structures uh that produce these iron rich granulated spheres out of which the same products are being produced. Okay. Um and the other thing I'd like to point out here is that um once you have done this reaction which is the key reaction which involves water. Okay. So this is essentially water as your start point. You then you can get this reaction by the fusion of this which gives you the carbon to move forward. Okay. Uh you have no neutrino needed here. No neutrino needed here. No neutrino needed here. No neutrino needed here. So this is the stumbling block. You have to overcome the energy to or you need to create the system that can combine protons, electrons, anti-utrinos and uh oxygen nuclei uh uh in the same box to produce 17 oxygen. And then you're off to the races because you don't need to have it from that point. Once you've got the oxygen 17, it's just about the electronamics to keep it in there. Okay. So, spin nuclei silicon 29 spin nuclei oxygen 17. Okay. So, that is that. Uh so, uh a discussion here. I've mentioned some of these points before. All of these could be fragments of propane due to prior use of propane in the tank. Though propane does not add or absorb well into the material of the tank, one would need to consider all other parts of the vacuum system to sample uh jar pathway. Um at a stretch they could form coherent energy transformations of elements likely heavier than iron in the tank producing carbon and hydrogen with subsequent abiogenic synthesis of hydrogen hydrocarbons. Okay. So I'm saying that we may have shown the process behind aiogenic synthesis of hydrocarbons from whatever material you start with because it's not only you can put hydrogen and uh oxygen in there from water. You can start with every other element and it breaks it down through uh cluster decay. CO2 is more stable than H2O which is more stable than O2 and there is carbon and hydrogen to spare though hydrogen is light and may have vented from the chamber more easily. Uh carbon could be uh an a hydrocarbon gas fragment in uh ionization. O2 appears to drop at mass 32 and 34. However, mass 33, which is heavy O2 16 uh 17 appears to rise or not drop as much as the other more common isotope elements. So, let me just verify that when we go to our chart rather here, um we go back to our heavy O2 uh 33 here. Yeah. So, uh what did I say there? Um I said 32 and 34 are uh 32 and 34. 32 and 34 they drop. Okay. Uh but here 33 which is heavy uh oxygen which is uh uh 067 or 1706 uh this actually rises effectively. So I think this is reasonably uh supportive evidence of the binguan hang observation in a system uh that is heavily reliant on water and uh of course it's difficult to get water out of everything and so there will be some water in here. Um and uh just to close out on the presentation before a little bit of further discussion here um uh I need to go here. No, not there. Where is my presentation? Yeah. Um Allan used uh norane um which is 1112 tetraflloro ethane as a test in the device. Now what you see here are the spectrums of um uh 43, 44 and 45. There's no 46 there. Okay. Uh you also see uh spectrums here, very high signals at something like uh uh 69 and a very high spectrum signal at um 81 23. Okay. and then some over 100. We can't see over 100. Let's go back to our data here. And we will reframe this to see over uh up to 100. And you can see that at no point do we see uh any when we're either in the air or any other point or in the noise at the end do we see any contamination. uh that would be commensurate with um uh these spectrum. So I do not think the uh material in there uh the tetrflloro ethane contaminated it and and this process gas mass spectrometer is very specifically uh designed to uh quickly see uh changes in the uh sample port gas input. So I don't think that would be the case. Now about the propane then uh this is a mass spectrum again from NIST chemistry webbook. You can go to the website here and look it up. Uh it does have this 15 signal here that we talked about. It does have these uh uh spectrum around uh 28 here. Um and it has this huge peak here at 29. And it also has these peaks at 40 but 41 42 43 44 but it does not have any significant peak at 46. So I don't think that this changes the conclusion. Uh and what is the uh conclusion really? Um I think the conclusion is that uh Matsumoto was essentially right. Yes, hydrogen, carbon, carbon and oxygen are produced from the collapsed matter and also you get titanium and iron and we have shown that you also get calcium. Uh he also observed calcium. Uh he says here carbon, oxygen and iron and that uh some of the products come from the inside of the ball. Some of it may come from the substructures uh of the overall magneto electrical structure. the uh fractal tooidal momentbased structure um of the uh overall electronamic structure and when the matter uh is allowed to be freed from the binding forces of the fractal toidal moment at the topological monopoles and fractions of substructures that have topological monopoles in them. uh they bleed out and they reveal what they are and what you get is the density of the material in is uh reflected in the matter from the wavelets. And the reason this is dim and dappled like this with higher concentrations of carbon and oxygen and then um uh titanium is that uh it's wavelets. These are uh substructures that were probably uh I wonder if there were these little tours. There was 48 of these tours in this bundle here that have all come out and um uh kind of merged into this blob. It would be interesting to be able to calculate that or find that at some point. I don't know. Or maybe there's substructures of substructures. Who knows? But anyway, they do show this kind of um it almost looks like a sponge where in some areas you you've got the titanium in others it's mostly carbon and oxygen. It is the fusion of CO2 effectively that gives you your uh titanium. Okay. So what are the implications of this? The implications are this. the um water uh may well be the principal source of fuel along with oxygen for bull lightning. Okay. uh I've shown you the reaction energies that are phenomenal that lead to the formation of silicon, calcium and iron which are the principal spectrum that were observed in actual real ball lightning and that we have physically seen coming out of blown up ball lightning structures in experiments of the Vega experiment and as have come out of the Benju Hang cavitation reactors. Okay, just to name two. So it's it's very clear to me that there are vast potentials for energy. Now you could say like uh is the energy used to split everything up into bare nucleons and then they get reassembled or are they split as I believe into principally carbon and oxygen and hydrogen hydrogen carbon oxygen. remember what was shown by um uh by Matsamoto, hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. These essentially in my view are the building blocks of most atoms uh in outside of just a pure alpha particle. Okay. And so these are effectively cluster decay products of atoms. And I believe that that is what is going on. You've got a cluster decay in this uh vacuum gradient uh process which excites atoms as they fall towards the topological monopole and as they get in there they essentially become hydrogen, carbon and oxygen but then they get built and the density increases of wavelets and the coherent core and when that the the confinement fails inside that uh altered vacuum state and it hits the ordinary vacuum they go into ordinary atoms based on the wavel density. And if the wavelet density is increased, increased, increased, you get heavier and heavier elements formed. Um, as was observed by SV Adamo and he details it basically goes up to iron. And it stays at iron for a long time until what he describes as the electron gas uh ion uh so electron gas nuclei nucleon uh um density increases past a critical threshold and then you get um the synthesis of super heavy elements up to thousands of amu and so uh uh I don't see it specifically like that. I see it as a electron quark bluon plasma uh um coherent uh wavelit condensate structure in that as a magneto hydrodnamic structure uh and and and it collapses out and that's why you get those kind of structures being formed and at some point we'll be able to go and look at some of these in in more detail but I I I can refer back to a um John Hutcherson sample where around one of these black hole cores there were these interfering wavelets of material and maybe I'll revisit that for people to understand where I'm coming from. Okay. So, uh what this means is uh it doesn't matter whether you're gaining energy from the vacuum gradient or you notionally losing energy from the uh fractionalization of the matter that's going in. In the reforming process, if the net output is um uh occupying less spaceime than the uh it's rather the the the nucleon nucleons that are born out of the system are distorting less of the physical vacuum there will be a net energy gain. Okay. So um in the overall process uh and you might gain a lot of energy from the coherent process the condensation process as it happens. Okay. So um uh I think this is the basis behind the water car um uh the Stanley Mer water car. Yes, you can use lasers as he did in his later versions and spark plugs uh uh to do the magic. Um this is the uh power behind the super flashing spark plugs Aaron Makami and so forth. This is what is going on. Um and uh yes, water can be used as a fuel. Um uh it's been a deep honor to do this journey. Um and uh the bonus may be that hydrocarbons are actually synthesized uh through this same process. And uh wouldn't that be ironic? Okay, so if you want to take any uh uh give me any questions, I will answer them now. Yeah. Uh not fossils. I mean coal is fossils probably. I think what happens is the basic uh um molecules are made probably potentially up to propane and then those are then pressured and uh form longer and longer hydrocarbons um under pressure and heat over time. So uh um uh Boo Blazer is asking uh do the isotope ratios match those found in UFO materials? Well, firstly you have to know if they're UFO materials. So it's it's a bit of a question which might have a problem. Um Magic Sound says during my early test with R134A gas, I only ran the MS up to mass 50. The only significant trace I saw was at mass 50 which is dfluocarbine CF2 or its annionic form CF2. Okay. So basically as I said Alan I don't think there's any any of that in the system and I I also don't think um uh about did we did we actually show that uh we did show uh propane um and anyway propane doesn't really uh uh change the the conclusion either. Um uh essentially we have one major test to do and that is to use a CO2 scrubber on samples from um the gases uh from uh uh the Hank urine Vega experiment. I actually want to read through what Hank wrote here. He said, "I created a the specific experiment and it stopped all the time. Stopping means he created this experiment to um I think he was trying to produce gas or I or to do something but anyway says I created this specific experiment and it stopped all the time. Stopping means almost always too much gas in the reactor. With too much gas, the blue glowing cathode disappears and it's over. So he wants the blue glowing cathode because that's when it's corona discharge and that's when it appears to produce a lot of excess heat. pumping is the only way to get it started again. That is what I did. When I shut down the plasma, the pl the pressure uh was relatively stable. Uh no leaking of the tank. When I switched it on, I had to pump it again. So then I realized I had something interesting, impossible going on. The plasma did not do this before. The only difference was the big brass anode. I bought a new pump, a diaphragm pump that is not a strong pump, but it does not contaminate the gas uh from the tank. There was a bonus also because the pump is not strong. I could leave the pump running 24 hours and more and so also the plasma. I had a stable process going on. Then I could start collecting the gas. A thin hose on the output of the pump in a water container gave one bubble of gas every five minutes or so. So, it took five minutes to create one bubble of gas. These bubbles went into the glass bottles you can see in the video. I filled the bottles with water and then the gas pushed away the water. I did that uh I put a lid on the bottle in the water so no air could have come into the bottles. Now, it's become interesting. The bottles have approximately the same gas mixture. I did not add any gas during this experiment. That is to say, he didn't add any hydrogen. He didn't add any uh propane or whatever. It was a longunning experiment that he in his opinion had been fully degassed. I had to pump all the time. I used this tank already for a long time. So degassing is not realistic anymore. So let's do some calculations. The pressure is about 5 m in the tank. So bringing it into atmospheric pressure, the gas is compressed 200 times. I have produced much more gas than in these three bottles before I realized this anomaly. Okay. So basically he saw that there was a lot of gas being produced uh before he started storing them in these three bottles. Um I have been producing at least another three bottles. Uh I know I don't know the exact content be let but but let's assume it is 100 mil per bottle. Then I produced 100* 6 600 ml of atmospheric gas. So 6 of a liter time 200 time expansion equals 120 L of vacuum gas. The content of the tank is approximately 30 L. That means the tank the plasma has produced at least four times the whole content of the tank. So the produ production uh diluted the original gas mixture. It seems the tank was producing this gas in these three bottles. Okay. So what you could say if we are to believe this by Matsumoto is that something in the tank is causing electronuclear collapse. I would argue it's the fractal tooidal moment the uh topological monopole that causes the collapse of matter and it causes it to fragment. Okay. And then it goes through a wormhole and creates hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. And these things are uh then compressed in other structures that then produce other or just simply burnt to produce water and CO2 and uh or nuclear or coherent energy transformed inside the core to produce the observed elements that we see. uh and um isotopes of elements and possibly even hydrocarbons. So is the hydrogen, carbon and oxygen produced by the electronuclear collapse in my view cluster decay and does this then lead to hydrocarbon fragments uh like acetylene uh ethane and propane uh or is the propane coming from something else? But we have to explain these massive increases in what would appear to be heavy CO2. CO2 being incredibly stable. What do I mean by that? I mean that CO2 is more stable than H2O, which is more stable than O2. Okay? So once CO2 is formed, it's just going to stay there. It's actually more stable than the mass equivalent organic chemicals that might also account for those masses. Right. Uh yes I uh Paul it was just air in the Vega to start. Yes. And then that was pumped down to very low pressure. Okay. So there would have been residual moisture that is residual water. uh and then there would have been uh uh some nitrogen and oxygen but very very low concentrations. Okay. uh air eating MHD. Uh it's water eating, but it's also water producing. This is a system that produces I mean I I've called it the flower of life for a very long time and I believe now it 100% is the flower of life. Why? because it produces hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. And what do we need? We need carbohydrates or hydrocarbons uh preferably carbohydrates which have hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. And we breathe uh O2. Okay. And then plants need CO2 which is what we expel. and they and also this process will likely produce CO2 as well and they need a a source of water. So life needs hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. Okay. So this system I believe is taking whatever and is making hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. It's literally the flower of life. We could joe. Yes, we could make anything with it. You need to build the fractal tooidal structure and you need to energize it and feed it. The easiest things to feed it with are oxygen and uh atomic hydrogen. Um and uh in fact those things uh will both come out of water. Um have you ever taken a closer look at the Dal Gnor crash parts on the George Nap? They show iron krenolated microsers plus heavy elements in interesting ratios. Um I'm sure they do. Um uh you know I I think we we are probably going to get to uh full coherent energy transformation, propulsion, teleportation, matter synthesis, matter synthesis, radioactive waste remediation faster than we're going to settle the debate about whether some other people have done that already at another point in the universe. Okay. So, I'm going to do a quick uh settle review of this today if there's no um uh questions. Okay. So this was Vega gas analysis discussion. We showed a rather lovely uh video sent by Hank Urine very recently here. I like it a lot. Interesting. I really want to talk over Hank, but I I love the four quadrants here that get produced. Fascinating. Um, thank you to my colleague and friend Alan Goldwater for hosting myself and my family and uh, working with me on analyzing these gases, doing such a diligent job making sure everything was working. Uh, before we arrived, uh, the noise floor here is well above the noise and that is what we based. We did the averaging of the data. This was the background air which was basically a background air signature uh with slightly high CO2 because we're indoors. Um then these are the elements that came out of it. Uh and we established in uh well rather I established by working through all the possible molecular uh things that this massive increase in hydrogen you can't this is not really a a um a viable number because it's based off a negative number here. So this is actually an incredibly large number. It's many orders of magnitude higher than basically zero hydrogen in the atmosphere. Uh and the same thing is true of the carbon. These two are massively higher than the the atmosphere. Um the 15 signal goes up. This one goes up. This could be heavy oxygen water. Uh it would be in line with the work of Bingren Huang. uh this the only of the oxygen isotopes that goes up is 33 here and that would be heavy uh hydrogen uh sorry this would be heavy oxygen rather okay so this would be 06 07 okay this goes up from its baseline and then over here many orders of magnitude for both uh potentially C1600 170 and C17070 heavy oxygen isotopes. This is completely in line with Bing Hang's uh observations uh that came out of my prediction for the reaction going on in his reactor that was producing the excess heat that we published at the beginning of last year. Um and essentially uh he observed uh heavy oxygen with 07. In fact, we go down to the conclusion it's probably the best place to see it. uh neon22 and CO2 were observed to exist. He eventually did a flame test to show the spectral line of neon2. For some reason, maybe the uh um calcium 44 is forming less. Um and uh the structures break up and so they release the neon 22. Um it might just be um an aspect of working in water. uh and CO2 obviously is extremely stable. Um but we also get the carbon oxygen 16 oxygen 17 there and also H2O7 heavy um uh oxygen water and uh 16170. So the one that's most easy for us to confirm is the heavy isotopes of CO2 by scrubbing the gases uh from more samples provided by Hank urine uh and or to do realtime testing by bringing either the mass spectrometer to um uh the a vagger experiment or a vagger experiment to a mass spectrometer. Uh okay. So we also find the reactions blah blah blah. Um gas contents in observations detected CO2 and isotopes 22 neon H2O7 uh he heavy CO2 uh and heavy O2. So uh what this says is two systems that produce ironrich krenolated microspheres uh with titanium spewing out of them uh uh and uh uh um magneto hydrodnamic based structures. Um they are producing heavy oxygen, heavy CO2 and heavy 17 oxygen water. uh I believe that we have established the real fuel source uh or part of the process. Um I I still maintain there's vacuum decay going on and possibly even beron collapse and also the other thing that I mentioned of uh um electron synthesis uh and capture from the ether but definitely this is part of the story of what powers ball lightning in my opinion and uh uh leading ultimately in a normal scenario to the production of silicon. oxygen, calcium, and iron in abundance, which are almost all of the mass of the earth. And uh uh the rest is the flower of life. Yes. Uh Overwhelm Games Evo Labs call will be on Wednesday. Um yeah and uh Paul this is uh a great support for um your invention which uh I guess we can talk about uh moving forward. Um uh and it when you understand what Paul has done and what he's already observed um uh in context then um uh I I I think it's done. I think it's done. the power source behind ball lightning and uh cavitation, the principal power source because it can use any matter. The this the system can use any matter but oxygen and hydrogen really get this thing going really really get it going and um that it can be initiated by cavitation. And so it it explains the water car. It explains all of these systems and uh there we go. It's been a really deep honor to be doing this process and I have more absolutely stoning data from analysis done in Allen's lab which I hope to get out in the next couple of weeks. Uh, I hope to also uh finish the editing of the um book for um uh Matt's Moto, try and get the PDFs out next month because I have just one more week to submit my uh paper for ICF 26. And I really want to do that for the poster because um I think people uh I want a lot of critical eyes on my uh understanding that was presented in ICCF uh 26. I uh and with this kind of data um you know I'm either wrong and for some reason this does match the data of Benju Huang and by the way we've recorded everything live. You can see it so it is what it is. Um, and I didn't start analyzing it till uh earlier this week. Um, and if it is true, then just like every single experiment that Benjamin Hang produces, it produces the same kind of products and everything that we do in the Vega experiment, it produces the same kind of thing. If the physical manifestations are the same, it I expect the gases to be the same. And uh so I don't expect anyone that is serious about investigating this to find different observations. I think this is what it is. So um I will say thank you very much for your time. Um thank you uh also uh to uh Black Thai for that 20 uh donation. It's very kind of you. Um and I will see you on Wednesday. Venice loss. Good night.